RE: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-29 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Melvin Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 01:52 PM 1/28/2002 -0600, Garrett Goebel wrote: From: Brent Dax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Aaron Sherman: # # I think the first guy that gets hired to maintain Perl6 code, # and think hey, I know Perl, no sweat will disagree with #

Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Aaron Sherman
I'm going to just say this, and I ask that everyone who reads it take a deep breath, count to 10 and then respond if you wish. I was reading Apoc 4 and while marveling at the elegence of what Larry's doing to the language, I had an epiphany. Perl6 is simply not Perl. It's about as much Perl as

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:44:19AM -0500, Aaron Sherman wrote: I'm going to just say this, and I ask that everyone who reads it take a deep breath, count to 10 and then respond if you wish. I was reading Apoc 4 and while marveling at the elegence of what Larry's doing to the language, I had

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 4:12 PM + 1/28/02, Simon Cozens wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:44:19AM -0500, Aaron Sherman wrote: I'm going to just say this, and I ask that everyone who reads it take a deep breath, count to 10 and then respond if you wish. I was reading Apoc 4 and while marveling at the

FW: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Brent Dax
[I'm an idiot. I forgot to send this to the group, too.] Aaron Sherman: # I'm going to just say this, and I ask that everyone who reads # it take a # deep breath, count to 10 and then respond if you wish. # # I was reading Apoc 4 and while marveling at the elegence of # what Larry's # doing to

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Dave Mitchell
What I don't want to start (and I may have done so anyway) is a simple name war. If you feel emotionally attached to Perl, then fine, so am I. But if you feel that there is some compelling logic here that will affect the community, I would be very interested. The reason why it's still Perl

RE: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Brent Dax
Aaron Sherman: # On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 11:17, Brent Dax wrote: # # I'd like you to perform an exercise for me if you have a Camel III. # # I have a Camel 1 (pink) and 2, but not 3. However, I follow # you. You are # (as everyone else has fallen into the trap of) thinking of only what # hurdles a

RE: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Brent Dax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Aaron Sherman: # # I think the first guy that gets hired to maintain Perl6 code, # and think hey, I know Perl, no sweat will disagree with # you. I disagree. He'll see stuff he doesn't understand and try to consult perldoc on it, at which point

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Casey West
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:52:13PM -0600, Garrett Goebel wrote: : :From: Brent Dax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Aaron Sherman: : # : # I think the first guy that gets hired to maintain Perl6 code, : # and think hey, I know Perl, no sweat will disagree with : # you. : : I disagree. He'll see

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Stephane Payrard
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Garrett Goebel wrote: From: Brent Dax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Aaron Sherman: # # I think the first guy that gets hired to maintain Perl6 code, # and think hey, I know Perl, no sweat will disagree with # you. I disagree. He'll see stuff he doesn't

RE: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Melvin Smith
At 01:52 PM 1/28/2002 -0600, Garrett Goebel wrote: From: Brent Dax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Aaron Sherman: # # I think the first guy that gets hired to maintain Perl6 code, # and think hey, I know Perl, no sweat will disagree with # you. I disagree. He'll see stuff he doesn't

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Larry Wall
Melvin Smith writes: : Maybe they just have a huge unwieldy Perl4 app they don't wish to port. The perl5-to-perl6 translator should handle Perl 4 as well. It might even handle Perls 3, 2, and 1. :-) Larry

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Bryan C. Warnock
Perl6 isn't going to make everyone happy. That's right, it isn't. Nor should it strive to. First off, there are the folks who've no clue what Perl even is. Perl 6 won't make them happy. On the other hand, they won't really be disappointed with it, either. But that's a rather silly

Re: Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread jadams01
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The third group that won't be happy with Perl 6 are those who program in a limited subset of Perl - so limited, in fact, that they will most likely be bitten by minor changes in the language, without the benefit of experiencing the major improvements that those

Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread John Siracusa
On 1/28/02 9:43 PM, Bryan C. Warnock wrote: So, what *is* in a name? If a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet, why continue to call it a rose? Because identifiers are a proxy for what they represent - an evocation of the object without benefit of having one. Heh, programmer

Re: Re: Perl6 -- what is in a name?

2002-01-28 Thread Bryan C. Warnock
On Monday 28 January 2002 21:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The third group that won't be happy with Perl 6 are those who program in a limited subset of Perl - so limited, in fact, that they will most likely be bitten by minor changes in the language, without the