Re: Stuff in core (was Re: date interface, on language (was Re: perl6 requirements, on bootstrap))

2000-08-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:25:52AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 12:16:33AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: I'd actually like to see some work on the shared memory and IPC stuff on the language list--it'd be nice to have them in as mostly-primitives, though in a more

Re: Summary...tell me where I'm worng...

2000-08-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:03:42AM -0400, Grant M. wrote: Just trying to catch up. This is where I understand the discussion stands: INTERNALS(?) modular language: Scanner/Symbol Table/Parser/Executor Internals. Standard Functions separate from core (moving to language?)

Re: Stuff in core (was Re: date interface, on language (was Re: perl6 requirements, on bootstrap))

2000-08-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 12:16:33AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: I'd actually like to see some work on the shared memory and IPC stuff on the language list--it'd be nice to have them in as mostly-primitives, though in a more platform-neutral way. "mostly-primitives" sounds like a fudge. Like

Re: type-checking [Was: What is Perl?]

2000-08-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:25:33PM +, Nick Ing-Simmons wrote: Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I disagree. Perl gains a lot of its expressive power from being lax about typing. I suspect it will also impose an unacceptable overhed for the vast majority who don't want it -

Re: type-checking [Was: What is Perl?]

2000-08-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:47:24PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: I suspect reorganising the data structures to be cache friendly would gain more benefit than avoiding a few inline bit twiddles. We should do both. Tim.

Re: what will be in Perl6 ?

2000-08-04 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:21:38AM -0400, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:40:09PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:57:27AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: http://windows.oreilly.com/news/hejlsberg_0800.html Impressive. Quite deeply impressive.

Re: Summary...tell me where I'm worng...

2000-08-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:23:27PM +0200, Dominic Dunlop wrote: At 15:19 +0100 2000-08-01, Tim Bunce wrote: RegEx (internals?) Yes, Yes, Yes. I could argue for regex being language too: If the language group is going to give each of perl's reserved words (and much else

Re: what will be in Perl6 ?

2000-08-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:57:27AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: raptor writes: : http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/rt/07282000/transcript.html That's a good summary of what we've been thinking. Here's another article that talks about a lot of the things we *should* be thinking. In fact,

Re: RFC 99 (v1) Maintain internal time in Modified Julian (not epoch)

2000-08-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 09:25:34AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Yep. Or more generally "Standardize Perl on all platforms to one : common time epoch" and reccommend the Unix epoch since it's so : widespread. :-) Oh, gee, where's your sense of history? (As in

Re: Undermining the Perl Language

2000-10-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 11:49:51AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: David I was primarily addressing the issue of the P5P allowing the David language to be controlled by corporate presence through a David purchased pumking, and not taking responsibility for the David language sufficient to

Re: Really auto autoloaded modules

2001-02-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:02:31PM +, Tim Bunce wrote: of the Foo interface (one SX and one pure-perl, for example). s/SX/XS/ of course. Tim.

Re: Really auto autoloaded modules

2001-02-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:14:20AM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: Since everyone's spinning aimlessly around, I'll throw out something for everyone to think about, and perhaps we can get a PDD out of it. One of the features of perl 6 is going to be the ability to automatically use a module if

Re: Really auto autoloaded modules

2001-02-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:47:43AM -0500, John Porter wrote: And isn't this rather off-topic for this list? Sounds more like an internals thing... No. I think this is an area where the language should lead. I also think we need to define what an 'interface definition' should look like and/or

Re: Really auto autoloaded modules

2001-02-05 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:35:59AM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 02:17 PM 2/5/2001 -0200, Branden wrote: I think that, if you want this behavior, a module that implements it would be just fine. (Why muck with "use"?) To use a module name that seems like it could fit this purpose:

Re: Larry's Apocalypse 1

2001-04-09 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote: Let's leave -e alone for now and worry about handling specific incompatibilities when we in fact have some specific incompatibilities to worry about. Amen. Tim.

Re: Parsing perl 5 with perl 6 (was Re: Larry's Apocalypse 1)

2001-04-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 02:49:07PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: I don't get it. The first and foremost duty of Perl 6 is to parse and execute Perl 6. If it doesn't, it's not Perl 6. I will call this the Prime Directive. Great, but don't loose sight of the fact that a key feature of

Re: Flexible parsing (was Tying Overloading)

2001-04-30 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:44:25PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: Dan Sugalski writes: : I hadn't really considered having a separate module for each type of site : policy decision. Er, neither had I. Each site only has one policy file. I just want it named after the actual site, not some

Re: Apocalypse 4 : The Strange Case of the STRANGE CASE

2002-01-23 Thread Tim Bunce
Early on in the life of Perl 5 Larry adopted the convention that subroutines that Perl calls automatically for you should have all-caps names[*]. I'm not uncomfortable with the apparent try/CATCH inconsistency. I suspect that having CATCH etc. be lowercase would create a greater inconsistency in

Re: Loop controls

2002-04-26 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:29:58AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote: On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 18:20, Damian Conway wrote: Miko O'Sullivan wrote: before { ... } # run before first iteration, # only if there is at least one iteration Larry is still considering

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-26 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:33:06AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 2:26 PM +0100 4/26/02, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:25:15PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 12:36 PM -0400 4/23/02, Buddha Buck wrote: OK, but that limits you to the, um, 24 standard levels of

Re: 6PAN (was: Half measures all round)

2002-06-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:00:13AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |On 6/4/02 12:22 PM, David Wheeler wrote: | I think that if we can agree to forego backwards compatibility, we might | also be in a better position to set up a CP6AN with much better quality | control. All of the most

Re: Perl 6, The Good Parts Version

2002-07-03 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 01:23:24PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: I'm also trying to think of more bits to throw in. Particularly in terms of the OO system, this being a conference about OO. From what I've heard so far, Perl 6's OO system will be largely playing catch up with other

Re: Perl 6, The Good Parts Version

2002-07-03 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 05:13:01PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 09:20:01PM +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 01:23:24PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: Hopefully the Cabal [2] can debunk that. [snip] [2] Of which there is none. and

Re: What's MY.line?

2002-07-11 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:29:08PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 7:18 PM +0100 7/11/02, Dave Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:41:20AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: The place where you'll run into problems in where you have multiple variables of the same name at the same level,

Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening

2002-07-30 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice

Re: Type Conversion Matrix, Pragmas (TAKE 4)

2003-06-11 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:04:14PM -0700, Michael Lazzaro wrote: *: (undefness and properties lost) Using/converting an uppercase type as/to a lowercase (primitive) type is silently allowed. If you're sending an Int to something that requires an Cint, you know that the 'something'

Re: printf-like formatting in interpolated strings

2003-06-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 05:48:58PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: But then I'm one of those freaks who likes the idea of keeping core Perl 6 generic, extensible, clean and small, and letting all the clever stuff go into extensions, a heretical position which is way out of favour with the more

Re: printf-like formatting in interpolated strings

2003-06-16 Thread Tim Bunce
Perhaps someone could post a summary of how the issue has been tackled in other languages that support a similar concept. I've not seen one (but then I've not been paying attention, so forgive me if it's need done already, and perhaps point me to a url). Tim.

Re: A12: Strings

2004-04-21 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:51:04PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: Yes, that's in the works. The plan is to have four Unicode support levels. These would be declared by lexically scoped declarations: use bytes 'ISO-8859-1'; use codepoints; use graphemes; use letters 'Turkish';

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: My console can be any of several platforms - in the last couple of weeks it has been a Linux box, a Windows PC, a Mac, a Sun workstation, and a real vt320 attached to a Sun. My mail sits on a hosted Linux box. To read it, I

Re: Synopsis 9 draft 1

2004-09-03 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:47:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: =head1 Compact structs A class whose attributes are all low-level types can behave as a struct. all low-level types or all low-level *sized* types? (I'm wondering about char arrays, string and pointers.) I presume a char[n] array

PLEAC - Programming Language Examples Alike Cookbook

2005-04-01 Thread Tim Bunce
So far http://pleac.sourceforge.net/ has comparative Perl Cookbook example for these languages: - perl, 100.00% done (naturally, since they're from the book) - python, 63.43% done - ruby, 62.43% done - guile, 30.00% done - merd, 28.86% done - ada, 26.00% done - tcl, 25.00% done - ocaml,

DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-07-01 Thread Tim Bunce
Once upon a time I said: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/perl.dbi.users/msg/caf189d7b404a003?dmode=sourcehl=en and wrote http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI/Roadmap.pod which yielded: https://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Fund+Drive+Detailsselfund=102 (A little over $500 of

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-07-21 Thread Tim Bunce
://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution%20Infoselfund=102 -Original Message- From: Tim Bunce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:06 PM To: perl6-language@perl.org; dbi-users@perl.org Subject: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help Once upon

Translating (or at least parsing) Java interface definitions

2005-08-08 Thread Tim Bunce
Anyone done any work on parsing Java interface definitions? And, ideally, translating them into roughly equivalent Perl 6? Tim.

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:25:32PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: In particular, the DBI must not mandate impossible levels of support from the drivers. It will benefit you nothing if the DBI is immaculate and wonderful and incredibly all-singing and all-dancing, but no-one can write a driver

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 03:58:54PM -0400, John Siracusa wrote: On 8/16/05, Tim Bunce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own understanding of Perl6 topics that I

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:16:19PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: At 4:04 PM +0100 8/16/05, Tim Bunce wrote: I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own understanding of Perl6 topics that I expect

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:12:02PM -0700, Dean Arnold wrote: Tim Bunce wrote: And nobody mentioned JDBC as a potential model. Odd that. I was sorely tempted to do so (and did mention it a few times in my posts, along w/ ODBC and ADO.NET), but there are some things about JDBC which rub me

Re: Perl 6 Summary for 2005-08-15 through 2005-08-22

2005-08-23 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 09:43:41PM -0400, Matt Fowles wrote: Java on Parrot Tim Bunce asked some preliminary questions about Java on Parrot. I provide preliminary answers, and Nattfodd and Autrijus posted links to related work. The important question of what it should

Class::Role, Class::Roles, and run-time role composition for Perl5

2005-10-21 Thread Tim Bunce
The Class::Role and Class::Roles modules on CPAN implement a form of compile-time Perl6 role composition for Perl5. Neither supports run-time role composition, as-in: http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S12.html#Roles The does operator returns the object so you can nest mixins:

Perl 6 implmenentation of the Java JDBC API?

2006-05-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:59:48PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: That's partly why I added the following idea to The Perl Foundation's Summer of Code project list (http://www.perl.org/advocacy/summerofcode/ideas.html): Reimplement the DBI v1 API in Pugs Design an implementation of the DBI

DBI2 reborn with DBI1 facade

2006-05-17 Thread Tim Bunce
mentor: Tim Bunce) Trying to come up with both a new architecture and a new API was too much. A great deal can be achieved by radically refactoring the internals while keeping the same old API (i.e. don't move the goal posts). I'm sure a new API will naturally emerge from this work, but it won't

Re: Synposis 26 - Documentation [alpha draft]

2006-10-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:55:57PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: I'm not a great fan of this concept of reservation when there is no mechanism for its enforcement (and this is perl...). What makes you assume there will be no mechanism for enforcement? The standard Pod

Re: Synposis 26 - Documentation [alpha draft]

2006-10-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 03:57:01PM -0700, Jonathan Lang wrote: Tim Bunce wrote: Damian Conway wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: I'm not a great fan of this concept of reservation when there is no mechanism for its enforcement (and this is perl...). What makes you assume

Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.

2007-03-22 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:29PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, representing The Perl

Re: Query regarding Java/perl interface

2007-06-20 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:53:32PM +0800, Agent Zhang wrote: On 6/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am sameer and am new to this group. It would realy help if any body can let me know is there a book or reference guiode where in i can get help regarding the perl/java

Re: globs and trees in Perl6

2008-10-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:14, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: Hi all. I've enjoyed(?) reading over the February/March thread

Re: globs and trees in Perl6

2008-10-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 07:01:39PM +1000, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Tim Bunce wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2008 Oct

Re: Files, Directories, Resources, Operating Systems

2008-11-26 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:40:41PM +0100, Mark Overmeer wrote: We should focus on OS abstraction. [...] the design of this needs to be free from historical mistakes. And avoid making too many new ones. There must be useful prior art around. Java, for example, has a FileSystem abstraction

Re: r24769 - docs/Perl6/Spec

2009-01-05 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:54:50PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: Author: moritz Date: 2009-01-05 17:54:50 +0100 (Mon, 05 Jan 2009) New Revision: 24769 +=item can + + our Bool multi method can ($self:, Str $method) + +If there is a multi method of name C$method that can be

Re: Not a bug?

2009-01-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:41:12PM -0800, Ovid wrote: I really don't think this is a bug, but it did confuse the heck out of me at first. This *is* expected behavior due to how {} is interpolated in strings, yes? $ perl6 -e 'my $foo = foo;say ~ $foo ~ ' foo $ perl6 -e 'my $foo =

Re: Rukudo-Star = Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-09 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:19:44AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:30:07PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of Rakudo, a suggestion: Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended

Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
I'm working on an update to my Perl - Baseless Myths and Startling Realities talk. (Which I'll be giving in Dublin, Moscow and Pisa in the few weeks!) I got great help on the Perl 5 portion of the talk when I asked via my blog

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:49:41PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: For the slides on Rakudo, I would suggest adding the modules that are associated with proto as measure of code written in perl6. There is a list of 27 projects. proto in itself is an interesting installer. I wasn't aware of

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:07:40PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: pp 22-23 - You might want to update the screen captures related to Moose, both its search.cpan page and dependency graph, since its moved a long way from 2008; on the other hand, the existing captures are still quite

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:40:46AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Darren Duncan wrote: So another proposal I have is to add to the slideshow mentions of the Enlightened and Modern Perl movements and where one can go to read more, this being supplemental to PBP. With that suggestion I'd

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:46:54PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: Tim (): I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially interested in updates for:    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line                

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:46:33PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: Tim (), Carl (), Tim (): I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially interested in updates for:    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:15:10PM -0400, Nathan Gray wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg (2.3MB PDF) page 73 - Haskell should be spelled with two Ls Thank you! I kept wondering

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-25 Thread Tim Bunce
I gave the talk at OSSBarcamp in Dublin last weekend and it went well. My sincere thanks to everyone who contributed. The slides are available at: http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909 The graphs and stats charting the continuing growth of perl and the perl community were

Re: r29770 - docs/Perl6/Spec

2010-02-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02:58PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: Author: lwall New Revision: 29770 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S04-control.pod +resumed that the stack is unwound the the phasers called. the the Tim.

Berkeley Orders Of Magnitude project

2010-06-25 Thread Tim Bunce
This struck me as interesting... http://highscalability.com/blog/2010/6/18/paper-the-declarative-imperative-experiences-and-conjectures.html The Declarative Imperative: Experiences and Conjectures in Distributed Logic http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2010/EECS-2010-90.pdf Tim.

Re: Filesystems and files [Was: Re: The obligation of free stuff: Google Storage]

2010-07-02 Thread Tim Bunce
This thread reminded me of something I'd posted a while ago: ---snip--- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 + From: Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com To: Richard Hainsworth rich...@rusrating.ru, perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: Files, Directories, Resources, Operating Systems On Wed, Nov 26

Ruby Fibers (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:22:33AM -0700, Damian Conway wrote: What we really need is some anecdotal evidence from folks who are actually using threading in real-world situations (in *any* languages). What has worked in practice? What has worked well? What was painful? What was error-prone?

Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 03:42:00PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ben Goldberg ben-goldb...@hotmail.com wrote: If thread-unsafe subroutines are called, then something like ithreads might be used. For the love of $DEITY, let's please not repeat ithreads!

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 04:00:02AM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are: - Don't clone a live interpreter

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote: From: tim.bu...@pobox.com So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are: - Don't clone a live interpreter. Start a new

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-16 Thread Tim Bunce
. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 01:22:10PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: If you wanted to start a hundred threads in a language that has good support for async constructs you're almost

Re: threads?

2010-10-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 01:18:09AM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: Damian (), Matt (): Perhaps we need to think more Perlishly and reframe the entire question. Not: What threading model do we need?, but: What kinds of non-sequential programming tasks do we want to make easy...and how would we like

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-12-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:04:18AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote: From: tim.bu...@pobox.com So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts