Re: RFC: Community Education Page -- perl.perl6.meta
David K Storrs wrote: Hmmm...This doesn't seem to have particularly grabbed the popular imagination among the Perl6 crowd. Well, I think it's the Perl5 crowd that is in much more need of having its imagination grabbed. :-) [big snip] Anyway, I very much like your ideas. (And Juerd's suggestion too.) I also think this thread is the sort of thing that would be a suitable topic of discussion on perl.perl6.meta. And some of your content would be useful for the (very preliminary) Perl 6 User FAQ that was recently posted there. At present, I'm getting to perl.perl6.meta through nntp.perl.org, and it will hopefully appear in Google Groups in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, you can see the archives at (http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.meta). I don't know if mail subscription is working for it. (This follows-up some #perl6 discussions in the preceding week about starting a general Perl 6 discussion NG. The idea is to first resurrect an old pre-existing group for this purpose, hence perl.perl6.meta. I'm about a week behind on reading the other *6* groups and #perl6, so I may have missed more recent discussions. I hope to be caught up by the end of the week.) Anyway, for the time being, I want to encourage you (and anyone else here) to cross-post (or move) discussions pertaining to *use* of Perl 6 (versus to internal stuff of ongoing language design and so on) to perl.perl6.meta. Likewise for other topics, such as marketing/evangelism, discussions of IDE support, brainstorming on how to get ponie funded, and so on. And if the Perl6 community doesn't think it's a good idea, then I won't bother. Have you asked on #perl6? Comments? Just do it. You already know it's a good idea. You're asking people that are already insanely busy and very intensely concentrated on what they are already doing, and who are extremely (development) results-oriented, so it's unlikely you'll get much encouragement under such circumstances. Also, if you consider the Perl 6 community to include everyone who has ever downloaded and run Pugs and plans to use Perl 6, you might only be reaching 1% of that group with this thread. You can mine most of the information you need from archives. If you supplement that with a judicious question or two, every other day or so, on a variety of appropriate forums, you'll have a first class site in a couple of months. Conrad Schneiker
Re: RFC: Community Education Page -- perl.perl6.meta
David K Storrs wrote: Hmmm...This doesn't seem to have particularly grabbed the popular imagination among the Perl6 crowd. Well, I think it's the Perl5 crowd that is in much more need of having its imagination grabbed. :-) [big snip] Anyway, I very much like your ideas. (And Juerd's suggestion too.) I also think this thread is the sort of thing that would be a suitable topic of discussion on perl.perl6.meta. And some of your content would be useful for the (very preliminary) Perl 6 User FAQ that was recently posted there. At present, I'm getting to perl.perl6.meta through nntp.perl.org, and it will hopefully appear in Google Groups in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, you can see the archives at (http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.meta). I don't know if mail subscription is working for it. (This follows-up some #perl6 discussions in the preceding week about starting a general Perl 6 discussion NG. The idea is to first resurrect an old pre-existing group for this purpose, hence perl.perl6.meta. I'm about a week behind on reading the other *6* groups and #perl6, so I may have missed more recent discussions. I hope to be caught up by the end of the week.) Anyway, for the time being, I want to encourage you (and anyone else here) to cross-post (or move) discussions pertaining to *use* of Perl 6 (versus to internal stuff of ongoing language design and so on) to perl.perl6.meta. Likewise for other topics, such as marketing/evangelism, discussions of IDE support, brainstorming on how to get ponie funded, and so on. And if the Perl6 community doesn't think it's a good idea, then I won't bother. Have you asked on #perl6? Comments? Just do it. You already know it's a good idea. You're asking people that are already insanely busy and very intensely concentrated on what they are already doing, and who are extremely (development) results-oriented, so it's unlikely you'll get much encouragement under such circumstances. Also, if you consider the Perl 6 community to include everyone who has ever downloaded and run Pugs and plans to use Perl 6, you might only be reaching 1% of that group with this thread. You can mine most of the information you need from archives. If you supplement that with a judicious question or two, every other day or so, on a variety of appropriate forums, you'll have a first class site in a couple of months. Conrad Schneiker
Re: RFC: Community Education Page -- perl.perl6.meta
David K Storrs wrote: Hmmm...This doesn't seem to have particularly grabbed the popular imagination among the Perl6 crowd. Well, I think it's the Perl5 crowd that is in much more need of having its imagination grabbed. :-) [big snip] Anyway, I very much like your ideas. (And Juerd's suggestion too.) I also think this thread is the sort of thing that would be a suitable topic of discussion on perl.perl6.meta. And some of your content would be useful for the (very preliminary) Perl 6 User FAQ that was recently posted there. At present, I'm getting to perl.perl6.meta through nntp.perl.org, and it will hopefully appear in Google Groups in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, you can see the archives at (http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.meta). I don't know if mail subscription is working for it. (This follows-up some #perl6 discussions in the preceding week about starting a general Perl 6 discussion NG. The idea is to first resurrect an old pre-existing group for this purpose, hence perl.perl6.meta. I'm about a week behind on reading the other *6* groups and #perl6, so I may have missed more recent discussions. I hope to be caught up by the end of the week.) Anyway, for the time being, I want to encourage you (and anyone else here) to cross-post (or move) discussions pertaining to *use* of Perl 6 (versus to internal stuff of ongoing language design and so on) to perl.perl6.meta. Likewise for other topics, such as marketing/evangelism, discussions of IDE support, brainstorming on how to get ponie funded, and so on. And if the Perl6 community doesn't think it's a good idea, then I won't bother. Have you asked on #perl6? Comments? Just do it. You already know it's a good idea. You're asking people that are already insanely busy and very intensely concentrated on what they are already doing, and who are extremely (development) results-oriented, so it's unlikely you'll get much encouragement under such circumstances. Also, if you consider the Perl 6 community to include everyone who has ever downloaded and run Pugs and plans to use Perl 6, you might only be reaching 1% of that group with this thread (since most of the extended Perl 6 community may have to concentrate on Perl 5 $work for the time being). You can mine most of the information you need from archives. If you supplement that with a judicious question or two, every other day or so, on a variety of appropriate forums, you'll have a first class site in a couple of months. Conrad Schneiker
Re: RFC: Community Education Page
At 11:34 -0400 5/7/06, David K Storrs wrote: Hmmm...This doesn't seem to have particularly grabbed the popular imagination among the Perl6 crowd. I'm a lurker here, mostly interested in keeping perl 6 usable for mathematics and physics, but unable to keep up with most of the things I read. What I KNOW about perl 6 comes from Perl 6 Essentials First Edition, June 2003. That's how I got here. The + vector operators were giving me fits. I suspect there are copyright issues but an O'Reilly style bookshelf in an open source way that would provide continuous updates to Essentials would really be nice. I occasionally try to understand a thread by looking there but, at 3 years old, it rarely does any good. -- -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't --
Re: RFC: Community education page
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:44:29AM -0400, David K Storrs wrote:
Also, the page should talk about why it is difficult to do what is
being done. Ask the reader questions: You want to support
continuations / have coroutines / embedd yacc in your language /
whatever. How do you do it? Then offer up an analysis of various
design choices that were considered and rejected and why.
I think this will see a lot of use, not just in terms of people really
outside the perl6 project, looking at it, and wondering what's taking so
long, but also people on the semi-inside, trying to remember things like
I'm sure there's a reason other then C if condition_without_parens
{block} that we can't have C %foo {'bar'} DTRT, but I can't
remember it, which certianly happens to me fairly often.
Also, as a checklist for proposals. If you're thinking of proposing
something, go look there. If it's already there, do you have any new pros
to put against the existing cons?
-=- James Mastros
Re: RFC: Community education page
On May 4, 2006, at 10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:44:29AM -0400, David K Storrs wrote:
Also, the page should talk about why it is difficult to do what is
being done. Ask the reader questions: You want to support
continuations / have coroutines / embedd yacc in your language /
whatever. How do you do it? Then offer up an analysis of various
design choices that were considered and rejected and why.
I think this will see a lot of use, not just in terms of people really
outside the perl6 project, looking at it, and wondering what's
taking so
long, but also people on the semi-inside, trying to remember things
like
I'm sure there's a reason other then C if condition_without_parens
{block} that we can't have C %foo {'bar'} DTRT, but I can't
remember it, which certianly happens to me fairly often.
Also, as a checklist for proposals. If you're thinking of proposing
something, go look there. If it's already there, do you have any
new pros
to put against the existing cons?
-=- James Mastros
That's an advantage I hadn't thought of.
We'd have to be careful to keep it brief, though. The whole point is
that this is supposed to be a single page that can be read in a
reasonable period of time (~10 mins). It's supposed to answer one
question: Why should I still be excited about Perl6 even though
it's taking longer than was expected?, not a horde of questions like
why were coroutines implemented that way? and such.
--Dks
Re: RFC: Community education page
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:59:47PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but also people on the semi-inside, trying to remember things like
I'm sure there's a reason other then C if condition_without_parens
{block} that we can't have C %foo {'bar'} DTRT, but I can't
remember it, which certianly happens to me fairly often.
Well, I'd obviously quite like that ;-)
--
Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pjcj.net
