Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
I've repeatedly encountered remarks about how much Perl 6 development is constrained by the fairly severe time and energy constraints of its overwhelmingly volunteer development team. I think that is a valid point. On the other hand the language has to become mature gradually, and that

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] To that end, I'm soliciting: (1) your suggestions for preparation, (2) your ideas for proposals, and (3) your reasons why the Perl 6 ecosystem (including Parrot and CPAN6) is one of the world's greatest and and most extremely leveraged causes (technically, economically, and

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] Should it really? I mean: is the time right for that now? Let's ask the other way round: Is this the time for only one implementation? And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but possible). Let's give

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis 2008-02-21 9:38 (+0100): 1) Let The Perl Foundation decide what to do with the money advantage: they already have a comitee (is that really an advantage? ;-) disadvantage: they seem to think that Perl 6 on Parrot is _the_ and the only way to go. (There's nothing

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
[...] To that end, I'm soliciting: (1) your suggestions for preparation, (2) your ideas for proposals, and (3) your reasons why the Perl 6 ecosystem (including Parrot and CPAN6) is one of the world's greatest and and most extremely leveraged causes (technically, economically, and

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
(Someone wrote:) And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? It is the original plan to implement Perl 6 on Parrot, and the project that gets most developer attention. What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but possible). Then backtracking would happen,

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Wim Vanderbauwhede
On 21/02/2008, Juerd Waalboer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Someone wrote:) And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? It is the original plan to implement Perl 6 on Parrot, and the project that gets most developer attention. What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end?

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread BUCHMULLER Norbert
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:14:13 +0100 (CET) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you argue that most people want an implemenation that covers large parts of the specs, the most logical step would be to boost pugs development. It's the most advanced implementation by far. And I do believe that it can be

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
Should it really? I mean: is the time right for that now? Let's ask the other way round: Is this the time for only one implementation? And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but possible). Let's give some $$$ to

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Conrad Schneiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've repeatedly encountered remarks about how much Perl 6 development is constrained by the fairly severe time and energy constraints of its overwhelmingly volunteer development team. Here is something to consider.

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that's a good idea - sadly many of them have the perception that Perl 6 is vapour ware. I guess I have more trust in people than you do. :) ... and I just learned that my opions are biased. Last week I visited the German

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] I was there at the workshop too. You cannot count me in into being biased against Perl 6. Only biased that it takes so long :-). I know, and there were some others (like Herbert aka lichtkind, who writes and maintains the German Perl 6 wiki pages) with the same opinions. But the

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:05PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: : Then backtracking would happen, or more likely: Perl 6 would die. If : this community cannot come up with a virtual machine that can handle : Perl 6, then many people will lose all hope. Except that the people working on

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
Larry Wall skribis 2008-02-21 11:15 (-0800): On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:05PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: : Then backtracking would happen, or more likely: Perl 6 would die. If : this community cannot come up with a virtual machine that can handle : Perl 6, then many people will lose all

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:07:14PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: : I would very strongly prefer to see a focussed effort towards a single : full implementation. : : There are many important benefits to having several implementations, : including fun and education. But commercially and

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Feb 21, 2008, at 14:42 , Larry Wall wrote: Again, that was a really good argument for pugs, which among other things *renewed* excitement in parrot. But pugs also demonstrated some difficulties with that approach. The fact is that every approach has run into almost insurmountable

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:25:42 Joshua Gatcomb wrote: I could take a month's sabbatical from my day job for $5000 without losing insurance coverage or other benefits. That's slightly more than Audrey's $100/day, I

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Geoffrey Broadwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that this can't be done directly because of rules surrounding TPF's non-profit status. That someone was me and that's not what I said. I said it isn't as simple as Bob