WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread C Bobroff
We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really
explored it completely.  Therefore, I made this demo page in both
English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic
Typesetting:
http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm

Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly?
Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on
Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy
Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead?  If you have the old
Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up?

Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows
and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them,
otherwise, the test is not too helpful :)

As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to
check on anything else.  Also please don't look at the source code! I was
in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess.  Anyone who is qualified is welcome
to redo it if too unbearable.  I would appreciate that!

Thanks!
-Connie
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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread Arash Zeini
Hi Connie,

On Konqueror 3.2.0 on KDE 3.2.0 all is fine except h and z in Hafiz 
(fi). The same applies to Busq as it uses the same h.

Greetings,
Arash

In a message dated Friday 07 May 2004 08:31, C Bobroff wrote:

 We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never
 really explored it completely.  Therefore, I made this demo page in both
 English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic
 Typesetting:
 http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm

 Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly?
 Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially
 on Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old,
 buggy Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead?  If you have
 the old Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up?

 Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows
 and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them,
 otherwise, the test is not too helpful :)

 As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to
 check on anything else.  Also please don't look at the source code! I
 was in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess.  Anyone who is qualified is
 welcome to redo it if too unbearable.  I would appreciate that!

 Thanks!
 -Connie
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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
Dear Connie,

Like you, I use WinXP and IE 6.0. I'm sorry to say that I can't help you on
the other platforms.


But take a look at http://www.browsercam.com , which provides good services
for web page testing on mutiliple platforms and different browsers.
Hope this helps :-)

Please inform us about the result.
Thanks,

Behzad

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Subject: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback


 We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really
 explored it completely.  Therefore, I made this demo page in both
 English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic
 Typesetting:
 http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm

 Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly?
 Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on
 Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy
 Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead?  If you have the old
 Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up?

 Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows
 and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them,
 otherwise, the test is not too helpful :)

 As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to
 check on anything else.  Also please don't look at the source code! I was
 in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess.  Anyone who is qualified is welcome
 to redo it if too unbearable.  I would appreciate that!

 Thanks!
 -Connie
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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread C Bobroff
On Fri, 7 May 2004, Arash Zeini wrote:

Hi Arash,

You must have an older version of Tahoma on your computer.  I think these
Latin characters with diacritics were only recently added to Tahoma. (They
seem to have forgotten z with line underneath even in the latest which is
a problem for Persian transliteration.) Or maybe the reason was something
else?  Even when I was trying to create a PDF file from the webpage, Adobe
showed unknown character boxes for those same characters you mentioned
even though they were displayed just fine on the the webpage. I had to
waste a lot of time making a screenshot jpeg then converting to pdf!

Of course, Weft is not supposed to work on Konqueror/KDE.  Perhaps it is
possible to add the missing features.  I know it used to be possible to
use Weft on Netscape until they voluntarily stopped supporting whatever
necessary component was involved in implementing Weft. Whether this was a
technical or commercial decision, I don't know.

-Connie

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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread Ali A Khanban
Hi,

IE6.0 on Win2K: OK
Mozilla1.7RC1 on Win2K: OK (but the font of Arabic typesetting is very big!)
And I suppose the English translation of Bushaq poem is written in 
Koodak font (not in Tahoma as it says).

Another point is: why is it  instead of  and  instead of ?

Best
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C Bobroff wrote:

We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really
explored it completely.  Therefore, I made this demo page in both
English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic
Typesetting:
http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm
Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly?
Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on
Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy
Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead?  If you have the old
Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up?
Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows
and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them,
otherwise, the test is not too helpful :)
As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to
check on anything else.  Also please don't look at the source code! I was
in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess.  Anyone who is qualified is welcome
to redo it if too unbearable.  I would appreciate that!
Thanks!
-Connie
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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread Ali A Khanban
Actually, Mozilla1.7RC1 doesn't show the embedded fonts! It seems using 
Times New Roman instead of missing fonts.

Best
-ali-
C Bobroff wrote:

We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really
explored it completely.  Therefore, I made this demo page in both
English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic
Typesetting:
http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm
Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly?
Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on
Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy
Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead?  If you have the old
Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up?
Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows
and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them,
otherwise, the test is not too helpful :)
As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to
check on anything else.  Also please don't look at the source code! I was
in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess.  Anyone who is qualified is welcome
to redo it if too unbearable.  I would appreciate that!
Thanks!
-Connie
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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread fariborz_persiancomp
 But take a look at http://www.browsercam.com ,
 
 Unfortunately, it really was not too helpful. No chance to test Win98
 with IE6 for example.

Hi Connie,

I have an unsolicited suggestion (I know you really don't want to hear
from eye-rain-ians ).  I routinely need to compile and test software
for a number of different OSes for x86/PC platform.  What I've found
useful -- especially for testing -- is VMWare.  It allows me to test
all Windows variants as well as FreeBSD and Linux.  There is a 30 day
free trial period that should give you a pretty good idea. I believe
they have an academic discount program.  Have you tried it?

-Fariborz

P.S. Mac OS X users can use VirutalPC for PC virtual machine
on a Mac.

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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread C Bobroff
On Fri, 7 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote:

 IE6.0 on Win2K: OK
Noted.

 Mozilla1.7RC1 on Win2K: OK (but the font of Arabic typesetting is very big!)
I see you've sent a followup. That's right, Weft is not supposed
to work on anything but Win and IE so no point checking really.
By the way, Arabic Typesetting is REALLY small compared to the core fonts
so I had to increase the size.  It's not meant for web use, only print.
But because of the size incompatibility, that makes it easy to see if
Weft is or is not working because the lines will wrap if your default
font appears. They designed Arabic Typesetting at a super small size
because the small vowels sometimes get cut off.)


 And I suppose the English translation of Bushaq poem is written in
 Koodak font (not in Tahoma as it says).
No Latin subset exists in the Koodak font.
I was forced to use Tahoma :(

 Another point is: why is it  instead of  and  instead of ?
I just quoted the book verbatim.
Ka's is sometimes seen written with a hamzeh as in Arabic.
I checked the meter (vazn) and could not see any reason why Haafez should
put the hamzeh in daas since the meter is not affected although the poet
certainly has the right to make this common orthographic variant all he
pleases.
The Khanlari edition of his Divan has no hamzeh. I tell you what, Ali,
I'll ask the author of the book I'm quoting and get back to you on this
point! Thank you for spotting that. That's interesting.

-Connie

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Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback

2004-05-07 Thread C Bobroff
On Fri, 7 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Fariborz,

  (I know you really don't want to hear
 from eye-rain-ians ).

If you're referring to seeing too much rain around here this morning,
you're absolutely right :)

 What I've found
 useful -- especially for testing -- is VMWare.

The reason I prefer the human testers is because Weft is very sensitive
and we've seen that even on the same version of Windows and IE, Weft
can behave differently. VMWare will  give only one scenario and that
too, probably in ideal conditions. It makes a difference if the user has
enforced internet settings or if the machine is in kiosk mode, etc.  I
think it would be more useful to get a wide range of responses.

(Not saying I won't try it out anyhow so thanks for the idea!)

 P.S. Mac OS X users can use VirutalPC for PC virtual machine
 on a Mac.
Maybe our Mac expert in Toronto will have something to say on this.
Behnam?

-Connie

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