Re: JavaScript Drops ZWNJ

2006-01-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Mostafa Hajizadeh wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan, 2006 17:06 Behdad wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Mostafa Hajizadeh wrote: Hi, I use JavaScript to check and change elements in HTML pages. It works fine, but it drops ZWNJ. (Mozilla/Firefox) Does it have any

Re: Farsi in opengl

2006-01-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Install gtkglext, it's got an example of how using Pango to render internationalized text in OpenGL. Simply pass your Persian text and it will take care of all your rendering. behdad On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Ahmad Mouri Sardarabadi wrote: Salam, Man darhale neveshtam yeseri barname baraye

Re: viewing farsi font in console

2005-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Behnam Esfahbod wrote: Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote: Dear all, I need to my user see farsi fonts in console without running X. does ncursess library has capability of this function? No. The new Debian installer fancies a bidi capable NEWT+slang stack. No ncurses I'm

Re: viewing farsi font in console

2005-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Medi Montaseri wrote: I remeber being able to do this on Unix/Linux long time ago...as far back as 1990sback then on SCO, ATT SVR4 x86 (386 PCs) and then Linux... See manpages on setfont(8) unicode_start(1) unicode_stop(1) loadunimap(8) Yeah, that's basically

Re: Bad Farsi Fonts or something

2005-12-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Medi Montaseri wrote: Also, I didn't know what to do with the fonts.conf file you pointed out, should I download and put in it my $HOME/.fonts.conf Yes, exactly. --behdad http://behdad.org/ Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill

Re: MySQL 4.0, FULL-TEXT Indexing and Search Arabic Data, Unicode

2005-12-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: Dear Behdad, On 25 Nov 2005, you wrote: Another options is to get yourself a real search engine, like Apache Lucene. I've written my experience using that here: http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/04/on-lucene-and-its-decency.html You

Re: Bad Farsi Fonts or something

2005-12-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Medi Montaseri wrote: Hi I am having some problems with my Farsi fonts on my browser and in gedit on a Linux box (Fedor Core 4, Gnome ) My problem is Letter Ye is always rendered as though it was an independent or detatched letter. For example, in the word MILI (as in

Re: Mathematics in Persian, feedback needed

2005-10-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
To answer the parts that other people didn't answer: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Max Froumentin wrote: Thanks for the responses. Let me comment on each here: It is a normal form of an equation in Iran. In Afghanistan, also a Persian speaking country, mathematical notations are expressed the

Re: Mathematics in Persian, feedback needed

2005-10-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Arash Bijanzadeh wrote: I don't know how is arabic mathematics but the picture is a normal form of an equation in Persian True. Although the Persian notation for limit is not that common, many simply use the Latin lim notation. As for digits, we use Persian digits

Mathematics in Persian, feedback needed

2005-10-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi all, Max Froumentin from the W3 consortium is seeking feedback on Mathematics in Persian. His message to the list was bounced for some reason, so I'm forwarding his message. Please keep him CCed when replying. Thanks, behdad = From: Max Froumentin [EMAIL

Re: another request for feedback

2005-08-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thanks Connie, I had a joyful afternoon (re)reading the story with a couple of friends. I've put a link to it on my homepage. behdad On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Connie Bobroff wrote: Hi Everyone, I always ask for your help in various projects... This time it's one of your favorites, a Majid

Re: farsi language auto-detection in web pages

2005-08-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, mohsen ali momeni wrote: Hi, Thanks for reply, What I exatly need is CP1256 detection, and after that detecting whether the language is persian or not. As you can guess, all non-Unicode character sets share the same 8-bit space, so they overlap all the time. Your only

Re: farsi language auto-detection in web pages

2005-08-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, mohsen ali momeni wrote: Hi, How can I auto-detect language of a webpage without knowing it's charset? (suppose language and charset is not defined in header) Is there a simple (not time-consuming) method to detect a page charset? If it's UTF-8 or UTF-16, kinda easy, not

Re: Two new fonts from SIL

2005-08-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Behnam Rassi wrote: Hi, SIL International has recently released two new fonts, Scheherazade and Lateef, both in two versions of AAT (for Macintosh) and OT (for the rest). They are quite good. Check them out at: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?

Re: URLs to memorize

2005-07-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Connie Bobroff wrote: In case you need ideas for future enhancements, please consider putting an apostrophe checker which will search out unescaped apostrophes in the content and add the extra slash before them however leave the apostrophes that are part of the js

Re: jalali

2005-07-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
It's completely free. You can get it in source code or binary from this page: http://www.farsiweb.info/wiki/Main/Products behdad On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Sajjad Ebrahimi wrote: salam http://lists.sharif.edu/pipermail/persiancomputing/2004-May/001214.html fekonam inja beshe ye file baraye

Re: cp 1256 to utf8

2005-06-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
iconv -f CP1256 -t UTF8 inputfile outputfile On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, khazaee wrote: hello all. I want to change the character set of a text file from CP1256 to UTF8, which one is better? : 1) use of high level library like icu or iconv from glibc. 2) low level transformation and use of

Re: New versions of Persian stemmer syntax parser

2005-06-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Jon D. wrote: For anyone who's interested, new versions of a Persian stemmer, two-level morphology engine, link-grammar syntax parser, and character encoding conversion scripts are available for download. All of it is under the Free license GPL v.2 Web demonstrations

Re: ALL COMPUTER BOOKS IN THE WORLD

2005-05-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Please do not send stuff like this to this list again. behdad On Mon, 30 May 2005, Ali Sadeghi wrote: Hi all, http://ebuki.apvs.ru/downloads/ all you need is a russian proxy to download through. For example use the ones in: http://www.web-hack.ru/proxy/ Ali Regards, Ali Sadeghi

Re: leap year issue with jalali

2005-03-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: No, I don't. But the best is trying to get someone fix the bug from the C source and recompile. There are many Windows users out there. roozbeh I'll go a remove. If anybody cares, somebody would send along. Ehsan? --behdad http://behdad.org/

Re: leap year issue with jalali

2005-03-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
What do you mean I also checked? I think you just checked the jalali.exe. This is an old bug that have been fixed in C source, PHP source, PalmOS, etc, but I don't know why Roozbeh likes to keep he buggy executable around. Roozbeh, do you mind if I remove it? behdad On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Ali

Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6 (fwd)

2005-02-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: I'm not sure how the date data type can be representation agnostic. What ever the OS provides (via a system call) is in reference to a starting point in some calendar. On UNIX systems, this is traditionally the number of seconds since January 1,

Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6 (fwd)

2005-02-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, mohsen ali momeni wrote: Now something else , For AddDate and DateDiff functions, I need an algorithm which calculates the number of leap years between two given Date. Is there any such algorithm or at least a documentation for the above algorithms (jalali.c) so that i

Re: The New Alef

2005-02-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: There has been a new Alef around for quite a while. For those who don't live in Iran or haven't seen it yet for any reasons, a photo is available at: http://bamdad.org/~roozbeh/alef.jpg Smart! That can be useful in hex numbers written in

Re: Jalali Calendar in MySQL (was Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5)

2005-02-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: And if you are using the mysql frontend (i.e. Command line?) http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/date-and-time-functions.html has the full set of functions for handling date. Most of the functions there are calendar agnostic, like DATE_ADD, et al.

Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6

2005-02-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, mohsen ali momeni wrote: No. Wrong. So you say we should still fight about our calender name? I mean yes, if we have not come up with a name yet, we can continue discussion, of course you are free to call it fight or whatever. No. They simply are not interested in

Re: Jalali Calendar in MySQL (was Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5)

2005-02-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: I think it kinda does. After all, if they have some sql functions to deal with the dates stored on the tables and databases, if some guy (read government office or whatever) wants to store persian dates in the db, they have to have two conversion

Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5

2005-02-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, mohsen ali momeni wrote: Hello, About jalali or Iranian calender, i think fighting about what the name should be is of no use and will make a lot of problems for us. I know everything about them. that Jalali calender is based on calculation and iranian calender has

RE: A new Persian Unicode keyboard

2005-02-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Well, [softening my throat] like Ehsan already mentioned, then only trick is to use RTL paragraphs, and not only right-align the paragraph. That solves most of the problem. For the remaining few cases, these things called LRM and RLM should be used. behdad On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Ehsan Akhgari

RE: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 21, Issue 4

2005-02-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Saied Nesbat wrote: This sounds like overkill, a roundabout way of doing that has to be done a lot simpler. Am I missing something? Since the Unicode characters have the information, should Word not at least act as a simple box? Implementing the whole Unicode in

RE: A new Persian Unicode keyboard

2005-02-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
! Thanks. behdad -Original Message- From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Persian Computing List Subject: RE: A new Persian Unicode keyboard Well, [softening my throat] like Ehsan already mentioned, then only

Re: It seems that kompare have problems in FC3 with UTF-8!

2005-01-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Hedayat Vatakhah wrote: Yes, you are right. But, just to be a little more exactly, this program also let me to merge preferred differences, and the reality is that the main problem is here, because it (in FC3) can't save the result in proper UTF-8 encoding and the

Re: It seems that kompare have problems in FC3 with UTF-8!

2005-01-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 09:03, Hedayat Vatakhah wrote: ITNO GOD Hi everybody, Kompare is a useful program for me. May I ask what is Kompare exactly? No, because you have not SedTFE. And you even don't

RE: openoffice zwnj

2005-01-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Great to know it's been fixed. Do you exactly know the fix is included since which version of the KDE? I've noticed that this bug seriously affects the usability of KDE for Persian computing. Don't know numbers, but it was early 2004. After the

RE: farsiweb.info

2004-11-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I'm not sure. What I can say for sure is the image won't render correctly in IE. Hmm, BTW, at a second look, IE fails to render the layout correctly as well! Of course that's not as bad as how the background image looks. List Owner: [EMAIL

RE: farsiweb.info

2004-11-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Connie Bobroff wrote: In any case, many people in Iran turn off images anyhow for faster viewing so you may like to design the site so that it works both with and without images. You sure? It was true a few years back, but I don't think it's still the case. People

RE: farsiweb.info

2004-10-31 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Ah, that's a good sign, that none of us at FarsiWeb uses IE anymore! BTW, IIRC, 8bit transparent PNG works in IE too. b On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Hi friends, The FarsiWeb Project's website http://farsiweb.info/ is now up-to-date with a new Wiki system. Congrats on

Re: Publishing Persian Poems on the Web!

2004-10-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Sina, I've got some experience doing that, but I'm not yet convinced that people should start designing schemas from scratch. I believe one should start from Docbook or something like that. You should consider contacting Omid Milani [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]. He's THE guy for

Re: Unicode - ligatures

2004-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hello, In short: You are supposed to ignore both Arabic Presentation Forms blocks. They are not part of the Arabic model of Unicode (except for Rls character of course). Longer answer: Many (lazy) implementations, use the Presentation Forms - B block as a glyph encoding to shape Arabic in the

Re: Persian numbers in Glibc

2004-09-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Actually Qt already does that. Otherwise all Hamed said is right and precise. On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, mohsen ali momeni wrote: Hello everyone, Does Glibc support persian numbers? i mean does it interpret persian numbers as real numbers? As i tested ,it's not so , i mean there is no support

Re: Iranian clipart

2004-09-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 11:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: * Islamic Republic of Iran official emblem, based on the same specification, with a very slight modification to match the emblem in common usage: Questions: What exactly

Re: PersianComputing Digest, Vol 15, Issue 10

2004-09-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Please write in English when posting to this list. If you like to answer in any language other than English, exclude the list address please. behdad On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Mohsen Saboorian wrote: salam Salam, man saeid hastam, mikhastam beporsam agar dar zabane java bekham ye araye

Re: Vi/Emacs editor with RTL support

2004-09-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Not anything really useful. Vim has a rightleft mode (:set rightleft), which is useful for ONLY RIGHT-TO-LEFT text. Emacs, it's worse: there's an emacs-unicode branch, an emacs-bidi branch, and the emacs-head branch. They are trying to merge the three of them for a few years now! behdad On

RE: Vi/Emacs editor with RTL support

2004-09-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Thanks for your reply, Behdad. So, is there any editor you would recommend that has good support for bidirectional (Persian and English) text, and preferrably supporting HTML (but an editor without HTML support will also be just fine)? The latest one

Re: utf-8 based Persian collation function

2004-08-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
You are quite right. On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, hamzeh khazaee wrote: Hi All. Dose anybody know that MySQL use of glibc for collation functions or implement it in itself? (utf-8 based collation function for persian support) it seems that MySQL does not use of glibc collation function

Re: Behaviour of U+002F in IE and Mozilla

2004-08-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: The behavior was changed between Unicode 4.0 and 4.0.1! With the latest Unicode version, using Persian digits, in a Persian paragraph, something like 1361/07/05 will render 1361/07/05, not 05/07/1361, which is a good thing. (Using Arabic digits

Re: Behaviour of U+002F in IE and Mozilla

2004-08-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Ali A. Khanban wrote: Hi, Since the Arabic thousand separator, U+066B, is not commonly in use, most of Persian sites use /, U+002F, instead. The behaviour, when it is used between numbers, is different in IE (and MS Office) and Mozilla. Which one is the correct one?

Re: Persian translation of GNOME

2004-08-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I'd like to help in translating the GNOME 2.8 po files. I noticed that Roozbeh is the leader of the Persian translation team. I'd like to know how I can contribute. Should I send patches to Roozbeh himself, or do something else? Also, are there any

Re: IPA2 Official Web site...

2004-07-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I'm wondering, ..., didn't you really know that IPA already stands for International Phonetic Alphabet and is widely in use? On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, D.A.S. Moslehi wrote: Hello, International Persian Alphabet (IPA2)'s official Web site went online. http://www.persiandirect.com/projects/ipa2/

Bidirectional Layouts in Gtk+ -- Slides

2004-07-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hello, I'm writing this mail from Ottawa, spending the most wonderful week of the year here, featuring: Desktop Developers' Conference 2004 http://www.desktopcon.org/2004/schedule.php Linux Kernel Developers Summit 2004 http://www.usenix.org/events/kernel04/ Ottawa Linux Symposium

Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Farsi in Max OS X]]

2004-07-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
AbiWord still has serious problems with Arabic joining. It's supposed to be fixed when FriBidi does Arabic joining finally, which you know... b On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: -Forwarded Message- From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roozbeh Pournader [EMAIL

Educating Google about Farsi

2004-07-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hello listers, I'm setting up a petition against using Farsi, in favor of Persian. It's not a regular petition, but a Google petition. You should have seen a couple of them before. Here is the petition page: http://behdad.org/farsi.html To support the petition, all you need to do is to add a

Re: Persian UTF-8 MySql collation

2004-07-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Peter Cruickshank wrote: On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:13:02 -0400 Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there's a middle solution here, which the price is just messing a bit with your database schema. All you need is to store the string returned by strxfrm(str

Re: [Persian Locale d6 Feedback] Short Format Dates

2004-06-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Hi Behdad, You are right, that was my mistake. I had some wrong perceptions about U+060D that made me believe it would belong there. I am starting to feel I need to import all those data files into a database for quick reference. I am getting tired of

Re: [Persian Locale d6 Feedback] Short Format Dates

2004-06-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Esfahbod wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Excellent news. While talking about clarifications, I couldn't find the properties for U+060D. Do you have information in this regard? No idea. What kind of information are you

Re: [Persian Locale d6 Feedback] Short Format Dates

2004-06-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Excellent news. While talking about clarifications, I couldn't find the properties for U+060D. Do you have information in this regard? No idea. What kind of information are you looking

Re: [Persian Locale d6 Feedback] Short Format Dates

2004-06-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: BTW, Behdad is attending the Unicode Consortium's Technical Committee meeting right now, and later the ISO JTC1/SC2 ones. I'm sure the UTC meeting (which will be the first with a FarsiWeb member present) will have good news for us (which may include

Re: Personal names survey

2004-06-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: we are *specifying* a single way to do things. Why the 2 calendars then? Because in that case, both are acceptable and widely in use in Iran. In the case of putting Kasre in personal names, PUTTING

Re: Quran Copyright

2004-06-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, The Arabic text is not copyrighted in plain text, but any annotated version is copyrighted, as well as any translation and audio. The rule is: Everything is copyrighted unless proved otherwise. behdad On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, S N wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some information on

Re: Personal names survey

2004-06-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Come on Connie, you're still to provide a real example, from the books or streets whatever. The streets stuff was a joke and I'm afraid I led Ordak on--no pun intended-- a wild-goose chase, (sorry

Re: khatt e Farsi

2004-06-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote: Hi folks, What I want to conclude on khatt e Farsi debate considering member's ideas (at least for myself) is: 1- For Arabic Script equivalent in Unicode locale for our language, alefba ye arabi seems acceptable to me. Script has two translations as

Re: Personal names survey

2004-06-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The bottom line: Thanks Connie, you showed us that there are people printing that thing in reality. Behdad, I'm so glad you also now see that to *forbid* marking ezaafe in personal names is absurd. Well

Re: Personal names survey

2004-06-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Our library is closed all weekend as we're on quarter break but I'll scan a few covers for you on Monday. Maybe not until evening though. Eagerly waiting for them. As I said, I'm not even looking

Personal names survey

2004-06-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Connie, To be honest, I have NEVER seen anyone put Kasre in personal names. I just tried all books in my small shelf and NONE of them had kasre on the cover page. Note that all of these books have been bought in the past year in Tehran (Enghelaab). Here is the list of names I checked for

Re: khaat e Farsi

2004-06-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote: Conclusion: You can say that the origin of our alphabet is Arabic but you can not claim that our writing system is Arabic. Our writing system is Persian khaat e farsi. It is what my teacher Dr. Safavi as a linguist says in his book and what I also say as a

Re: khaat e Farsi

2004-06-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
The book can very easily be biased. The sentence ... dastkhosh-e taghiraati besiaar jaaleb shod, ke neshaangar-e aagaahi-e iraaniaan az daanesh-e zabaansheniaasi ast. is far from justified. Don't know why, but it reminds me of the Persian vs. Farsi problem... On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote:

Re: khaat e Farsi

2004-06-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thanks a lot Hooman for clarification. Also about the attachment we saw, note that Naskh, Nasta'liq, Koofi, etc are all different calligraphic styles of the same Arabic script. So even the attachment saying khatt-e naskh ... khatt-e faarsi naam gerefti is completely non-sense here. There are

Re: Mirroring in Unicode

2004-06-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Ordak, This is not a problem in the Unicode Bidi Algorithm, not even in Microsoft's implementation of the algorithm. And mirroring seems to be working quite well. The problem is in the higher level protocols of your system, which simply does not recognize right-to-left paragraphs. So your

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
of Sharif University of Technology. We also wish to thank the Persian Linux project for helping in the funding. I wish to thank Hamed Malek, Behnam Esfahbod, Houman Mehr, Elnaz Sarbar, Behdad Esfahbod, Meelad Zakaria, Mehran Mehr, and the PersianComputing community for their advice

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 22:50, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Over our dead body! The whole world is still to solve that cursor movement problem, and you expect... I expect to solve that ourselves (say, FarsiWeb and FriBidi teams), at least

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: Let me inject my foolish questions in the middle of this hot flaming discussion. What is the cursor problem exactly? And why is it hard to solve? Is there an FAQ on open problems in Persian Computing? Hi there, Well, the cursor problem is not

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: And, if someone starts a list, please add the problem of selecting a mixed text (english/persian) with a mouse. No matter what you do, or how experienced you are, you'll always get surprised. Yeah, that's known as the twin of the cursor problem.

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 13:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So don't say it this way that they are doing this great project which will save the humanity blah blah... You still get excited by those words? I am excited, since I saw some output from

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:19, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: Roozbeh, is it possible to create a wiki for persian computing? That is *planned* for FarsiWeb's website. I'm sure Behnam Esfahbod and Elnaz Sarbar will announce here the good news about the

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:33, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: About a list of open problems, no, there's no such thing yet, but Roozbeh and I compiled a similar list sometime back that I don't have it anymore. And I don't even remember doing

Persian in Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR 1.1)]

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Any volunteer to import FarsiWeb's locale document into CLDR please? The current Persian data in CLDR is absolute junk. b On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: -Forwarded Message- From: Rick McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New versions of the Common

Re: UI problems in editing BiDi texts.

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Ordak, The message you sent is not complete, right? And you know, this problem cannot be solved without implementation. Because the Unicode bidi algorithm we are implementing is such a beast with those things called directional embeddings and blah blah. BTW, please go on and elaborate, we

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote: We don't write Ezafe in noun phrase constituents; There is a big difference between *we never write* and *we sometimes write*. Obviously, you DO mark the ezafeh in certain situations. In this case, if the draft says

Kasre Ezafe in proper names, Was Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: Well, you were very helpful with the ghash-gir topic so what is your problem here? Here, I will ask this: Do you agree that sometimes you say, behdaad-e esfahbod and other times you say, behdaad esfahbod? (Note, I said *say*, not *write* for now.) And my

Re: IRI funded projects like Persian Linux (Was Re: something else)

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:51, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Man, how many yours you have been in this business? I can't remember. Many. And seeing how little amount of output I have produced, I'm clearly a waster of my time, it seems. Come

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
for helping in the funding. I wish to thank Hamed Malek, Behnam Esfahbod, Houman Mehr, Elnaz Sarbar, Behdad Esfahbod, Meelad Zakaria, Mehran Mehr, and the PersianComputing community for their advice and contributions to the work. But as the main contributor, every fault should only be blamed on me

Re: [History] My Story, part 1 (1236 words)

2004-06-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Hooman, Thanks for the very interesting story. Although your story started roughly when I was born, but a great sense of deja vu still roams around yours. More comments below: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: It was the second semester and we had a basic programming course on

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 21:20, C Bobroff wrote: Now, do you have any more questions before [hopefully] heading off to bed? OK, my mom just called. She was a little upset. ;-) BTW, wait for the news from the next cool thing, called tarh-e jaame'-e

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: http://www.farsiweb.info/locale/locale-0.6.pdf Congratulations on getting a new typist who is not allergic to Hamzeh's! But where did all the Kasreh's marking Ezafeh's go this time? And why no ZWNJ on

RE: Misinformation!

2004-06-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thanks for you note. There's a difference in the case of C++ standard and web standards: Writing non-standard C++ code only produces compile-time problems, but if you happen to compile the code, it works correctly (or supposed to do so). But it's quite a different case in web. 30-40 percent is

Re: Misinformation!

2004-06-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
a search collation table in addition to the collation table used for sorting? Or can the same table be used for this seach purposes as well? On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:50:41 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for you note. There's a difference in the case of C++ standard

Re: Persian-English Dictionary

2004-06-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Just my last words: * Like Mr Khanban, as I wrote in my long report before, I checked it with the one-volume Aryanpur dictionary and all 20 entries I checked matched perfectly. * Even if people have changed 90% of it, the rest 10% is copyrighted by Aryanpurs. Copyright holders accumulate, not

Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: Also I just heard from Ali Samadi that the Iranian Mac User group (in Persian) is actually at: http://www.irmug.org (I think I had a mistake earlier.) -Connie Hi Connie, I appreciate it if when you are mentioning this Iranian Mac Users Group on any of

Re: LeapYears of Iranian Calendar

2004-05-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
So, to conclude, I think we better don't touch the 33 implementations we have until we've got a real calendar. Just talking about FarsiWeb of course. Other people are free about what they choose. behdad On Mon, 24 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: I did some more research on the accuracy of

Re: LeapYears of Iranian Calendar

2004-05-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: Ordak's 2820 year method: bool isLeap2820ODC = ((683*year+542) % 2820) 683; in comparison to: Birashk's 2820 year method: bool isLeap2820Birashk = ((year % 2820) == 474) || (((31 * ((year+2345) % 2820)) %

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Ordak, Lemme welcome you to our list. Comments below. On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: - As the lunar calendar in Iran is observation based, there is no way to have an exact conversion for a date in future to/from lunar calendar. However, it is possible to do so for past

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or want to know it? Yeah, the reason is

Re: Miscellaneous web issues

2004-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: 2. When viewed on WinXP/Mozilla1.7a, the ZWNJ's completely throw off my mouseover javascript program. It can not find words with ZWNJ. And look what happens if you mouseover the Tajik eqivalent: it displays the Persian word ok but no ZWNJ. This problem

Re: Miscellaneous web issues

2004-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: 1. When viewed on WinXP/IE6, look what happens when you mouseover the Persian words at the end (i.e. left margin) of each line. You also pick up the space to the right of the first word in that line. Similarly, if you attempt to mouseover the first word

RE: IranL10nInfo

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Iranian guys, would you please do a short statistical survey? On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: It is still Amordad; I was going to point it out here to discuss, as I did not find about it in the archives. -Omid The answer is really

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian Calendar, quite like

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
official regional calendar exists in Iran. My final verdict? I need to sleep on it for a while. Hooman Mehr On May 15, 2004, at 2:36 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list. So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar, and in

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list. So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Hamed Malek wrote: On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list. So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran

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