Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
Well, I thought I was done with the Weft demo page, http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm and could now catch up on my non-computing activities. Picked up reading Jamalzadeh's Dar al-Majanin where I'd left off months ago. What did I run into after just 2 pages? I looked at the sky. It had become an expansive garden (i.e., the same Hafez that was the content of the WEFT demo) LOL, this is some sort of conspiracy! Anyhow, I had to then return to the webpage and add Jamalzadeh's edition. This gave me the chance to add another FarsiWeb font, Roya. Also took the opportunity to throw in a couple Heh+Hamza Above (U+0654) demo's. The positioning is not altogether bad. Of course, not like U+06C0 but still, not bad. The harakat (short vowels, fatha, kasra, dumma, etc) are positioning a bit too distant from the mother ship but I threw a few in for good measure. Of course, these positioning issues will depend on the OS and browser as well as the font. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
On Sun, 9 May 2004, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: No, I did not have any additional fonts on my machine: the machine was re-installed 2 days before the experiment, with Win98SE, plus all available updates, plus NetScape Communicator 4.8 and ORinoco wireless drivers. None of these include Koodak font, do they? :-) Thanks for the clarification, Masoud. I've been studying your exhibits. Very interesting that your Tahoma in English gives all the English letters correctly. For example, the two letters in the name Hafiz should not be available in your version of Tahoma. So you either are benefiting from the updates or from my font via Weft. But why could it not have also given you the corrected Yeh in Persian? Since your machine can handle the Yeh in Koodak, it is not that it can't display the unicode character or that there is some shaping problem. Anyone have any ideas? -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
On 7-May-04, at 8:05 AM, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: Dear Connie, Like you, I use WinXP and IE 6.0. I'm sorry to say that I can't help you on the other platforms. Just to confirm that it doesn't work on Macintosh platform (Safari-OS 10.3.3) but the text is rendered correctly, including Hamza above Alef in and and dot below H and Z. Behnam But take a look at http://www.browsercam.com , which provides good services for web page testing on mutiliple platforms and different browsers. Hope this helps :-) Please inform us about the result. Thanks, Behzad - Original Message - From: C Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really explored it completely. Therefore, I made this demo page in both English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic Typesetting: http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly? Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead? If you have the old Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up? Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them, otherwise, the test is not too helpful :) As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to check on anything else. Also please don't look at the source code! I was in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess. Anyone who is qualified is welcome to redo it if too unbearable. I would appreciate that! Thanks! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
Dear Connie, Like you, I use WinXP and IE 6.0. I'm sorry to say that I can't help you on the other platforms. But take a look at http://www.browsercam.com , which provides good services for web page testing on mutiliple platforms and different browsers. Hope this helps :-) Please inform us about the result. Thanks, Behzad - Original Message - From: C Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really explored it completely. Therefore, I made this demo page in both English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic Typesetting: http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly? Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead? If you have the old Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up? Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them, otherwise, the test is not too helpful :) As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to check on anything else. Also please don't look at the source code! I was in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess. Anyone who is qualified is welcome to redo it if too unbearable. I would appreciate that! Thanks! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
On Fri, 7 May 2004, Arash Zeini wrote: Hi Arash, You must have an older version of Tahoma on your computer. I think these Latin characters with diacritics were only recently added to Tahoma. (They seem to have forgotten z with line underneath even in the latest which is a problem for Persian transliteration.) Or maybe the reason was something else? Even when I was trying to create a PDF file from the webpage, Adobe showed unknown character boxes for those same characters you mentioned even though they were displayed just fine on the the webpage. I had to waste a lot of time making a screenshot jpeg then converting to pdf! Of course, Weft is not supposed to work on Konqueror/KDE. Perhaps it is possible to add the missing features. I know it used to be possible to use Weft on Netscape until they voluntarily stopped supporting whatever necessary component was involved in implementing Weft. Whether this was a technical or commercial decision, I don't know. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
Hi, IE6.0 on Win2K: OK Mozilla1.7RC1 on Win2K: OK (but the font of Arabic typesetting is very big!) And I suppose the English translation of Bushaq poem is written in Koodak font (not in Tahoma as it says). Another point is: why is it instead of and instead of ? Best -ali- C Bobroff wrote: We've had a few discussions about WEFT before in the past but never really explored it completely. Therefore, I made this demo page in both English and Persian and embedded Tahoma, Koodak(by FarsiWeb) and Arabic Typesetting: http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/weft.htm Can you please check if Weft has worked? Do you see my fonts correctly? Is the Yeh (medial form) showing up correctly in all fonts, especially on Win98? Is the load time any longer than usual? If you have the old, buggy Tahoma font, is my corrected font showing up instead? If you have the old Sinasoft or Borna Koodak, is my FarsiWeb Koodak showing up? Please report your findings! Be sure to mention which version of Windows and IE. By the way, you have to uninstall these fonts if you have them, otherwise, the test is not too helpful :) As you may know, Weft only works on Windows and IE so don't bother to check on anything else. Also please don't look at the source code! I was in a great hurry and yes, it's a mess. Anyone who is qualified is welcome to redo it if too unbearable. I would appreciate that! Thanks! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing -- || Ali Asghar Khanban || ||Research Associate in Department of Computing ||| Imperial College London, London SW7 2BZ, U.K. || Tel: +44 (020) 7594 8241 Fax: +1 (509) 694 0599 ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~khanban ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
But take a look at http://www.browsercam.com , Unfortunately, it really was not too helpful. No chance to test Win98 with IE6 for example. Hi Connie, I have an unsolicited suggestion (I know you really don't want to hear from eye-rain-ians ). I routinely need to compile and test software for a number of different OSes for x86/PC platform. What I've found useful -- especially for testing -- is VMWare. It allows me to test all Windows variants as well as FreeBSD and Linux. There is a 30 day free trial period that should give you a pretty good idea. I believe they have an academic discount program. Have you tried it? -Fariborz P.S. Mac OS X users can use VirutalPC for PC virtual machine on a Mac. ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: WEFT webpage font embedding--Call for feedback
On Fri, 7 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fariborz, (I know you really don't want to hear from eye-rain-ians ). If you're referring to seeing too much rain around here this morning, you're absolutely right :) What I've found useful -- especially for testing -- is VMWare. The reason I prefer the human testers is because Weft is very sensitive and we've seen that even on the same version of Windows and IE, Weft can behave differently. VMWare will give only one scenario and that too, probably in ideal conditions. It makes a difference if the user has enforced internet settings or if the machine is in kiosk mode, etc. I think it would be more useful to get a wide range of responses. (Not saying I won't try it out anyhow so thanks for the idea!) P.S. Mac OS X users can use VirutalPC for PC virtual machine on a Mac. Maybe our Mac expert in Toronto will have something to say on this. Behnam? -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
