On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 22:50, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Over our dead body! The whole world is still to solve that
cursor movement problem, and you expect...
I expect to solve that ourselves (say, FarsiWeb and FriBidi teams), at
least for the perspective of Persian and Iranian users. Is it *that*
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 13:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
So don't say it this way that they are doing this great project
which will save the humanity blah blah... You still get excited
by those words?
I am excited, since I saw some output from the people involved: A
commercial probabilistic
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 22:50, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Over our dead body! The whole world is still to solve that
cursor movement problem, and you expect...
I expect to solve that ourselves (say, FarsiWeb and FriBidi teams), at
least for the
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:24, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
What is the cursor problem exactly?
Have you tried typing multilingual text in an editor like MS Windows'
Notepad? The cursor, the selection, etc, are very hard to handle easily.
You'll get mad very soon.
And why is it hard to solve?
Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:24, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
What is the cursor problem exactly?
Have you tried typing multilingual text in an editor like MS Windows'
Notepad? The cursor, the selection, etc, are very hard to handle easily.
You'll get mad very soon.
Yeah,
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
Let me inject my foolish questions in the middle of this hot flaming
discussion. What is the cursor problem exactly? And why is it hard to
solve? Is there an FAQ on open problems in Persian Computing?
Hi there,
Well, the cursor problem is not
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Masoud Sharbiani wrote:
And, if someone starts a list, please add the problem of selecting a
mixed text (english/persian) with a mouse. No matter what you do, or how
experienced you are, you'll always get surprised.
Yeah, that's known as the twin of the cursor problem.
I volunteer to implement a web interface for the dictionary,
Excellent!
You'll have to make it so that whether the user types in bi[ZWNJ]kaar,
bikaar, or bi kaar, the word will be found!
Yes, that's right. This is relatively easy to implement.
but I think we'll need other
people's
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:19, Masoud Sharbiani wrote:
Roozbeh, is it possible to create a wiki for persian computing?
That is *planned* for FarsiWeb's website. I'm sure Behnam Esfahbod and
Elnaz Sarbar will announce here the good news about the new FarsiWeb
website, when it became ready.
roozbeh
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 13:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
So don't say it this way that they are doing this great project
which will save the humanity blah blah... You still get excited
by those words?
I am excited, since I saw some output from the
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:33, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
About a list of open problems, no, there's no such thing yet, but
Roozbeh and I compiled a similar list sometime back that I don't
have it anymore.
And I don't even remember doing it! :'-(
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 08:20, C Bobroff wrote:
I just thought the typist had used MS Word, then exported to Excel and
then to some publishing program.
I'm sure both MS Word and MS Excel would crash under the weight of so
much text.
roozbeh
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On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 08:26, C Bobroff wrote:
That would be a problem. However, the bad entries can be edited out as
they are discovered.
Who is to decide about what is bad? Are we professional linguists or
dictionary writers?
roozbeh
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On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 08:20, C Bobroff wrote:
I just thought the typist had used MS Word, then exported to Excel and
then to some publishing program.
I'm sure both MS Word and MS Excel would crash under the weight of so
much text.
Who said they didn't break it up into smaller files?
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
Who is to decide about what is bad? Are we professional linguists or
dictionary writers?
We can we directed by others to edit. I'm just saying the online
version has this potential, unlike the printed version.
-Connie
I know of a friend, Mr. Yusef Amiri, who with Mr. Rohani Rankuhi (long
time DB expert and a professor at Shahid Beheshti/Melli University)
wrote two books, all in MS Word, chapter by chapter.
One of the books was on C++, the other one (IIRC) was on OO design or
something like it.
Yeah, that
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 18:55, C Bobroff wrote:
Who said they didn't break it up into smaller files?
And managed all the numbering and sorting and all that by hand?
roozbeh
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On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 19:24, Masoud Sharbiani wrote:
Yeah, that and the fact that you really should have TONS of memory if
you want to have it all in one file, plus a dual processor (2000+ Mhz)
machine ;-)
And even then, the quality will be incomparable with something typeset
with, say,
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
And managed all the numbering and sorting and all that by hand?
They would have done that BEFORE exporting to their publishing software.
Now, do you have any more questions before [hopefully] heading off to bed?
-Connie
It's a well known fact that MS Word is mainly for office work. Short
documents and presentations. Professional writers seldom use MS Office
for large documents like books. This WP is known to crash when doing
things like numbering and sorting on large documents. No writer can
afford such
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 21:20, C Bobroff wrote:
Now, do you have any more questions before [hopefully] heading off to bed?
OK, my mom just called. She was a little upset. ;-)
BTW, wait for the news from the next cool thing, called tarh-e jaame'-e
gostaresh-e kaarbari-e zabaan-e faarsi. The guys
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 21:43, Masoud Sharbiani wrote:
I bet you've never used MSFT word, have you? I had to use it for the
reports/thesis I did at Sharif (circa 1997-8). There is this feature
called 'Master Document' that is basically a binder for all kinds of
word files, and can handle the
Hi there,
Sokhan's dictionary is a first of its kind in Persian, since it gives the
definitions of the words, rather than synonyms, which earlier works
did. So, despite its deficiencies, I think it is a useful starting point.
I understand Connie's point about the absence of vowels, etc., and I
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 20:41, Pedram Safari wrote:
The problem with encoding Persian into computer is rather fundamental
though, as there is no standard yet, not even for use in every-day life,
You raise a valid point, but please note that this is not about
encoding, but about *orthography*.
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 10:04, C Bobroff wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
There are many claims that this doesn't add anything to the Mo'in
Persian dictionary,
How is that possible when it's physically twice as big?
Well, I was not talking literally. Doesn't add *much*
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
MS Word?!! You really believe a professional publisher can prepare
Persian print quality books in MS Word?!
I just thought the typist had used MS Word, then exported to Excel and
then to some publishing program. That was in response to Behdad
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
new parts are not comparable in quality to Moin's work, with wrong
etymologies, bad definitions, etc.
That would be a problem. However, the bad entries can be edited out as
they are discovered.
I don't agree. I believe the publisher has long time
Hi,
Just for your reference, here is a youngintelectual Iranian lawyer who is a computer engineer as well. He is an expert in software copyright issues. You can perhaps send your questions as an email to him. I know he is very receptive. Arshia Tabrizi
http://www.tabrizilaw.com/htm/aboutus.htm
On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 07:46, C Bobroff wrote:
Now,I wonder if some of you who are so experienced technically could do
another dictionary project? At least as far as getting the data up in a
legal way and then others could make the interface according to the needs
of the target audience and
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
I volunteer to implement a web interface for the dictionary,
Excellent!
You'll have to make it so that whether the user types in bi[ZWNJ]kaar,
bikaar, or bi kaar, the word will be found!
but I think we'll need other
people's help as well, because I
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
There are many claims that this doesn't add anything to the Mo'in
Persian dictionary,
How is that possible when it's physically twice as big?
And now Pedram informs us it has a different approach, namely
*definitions* rather than *synonyms*.
and is
[snip]
I'm sure this dictionary must have been funded by the Iranian
government and no profits expected. I'm shocked to see that less than
a dozen US universities have purchased it. I should think the author
and publisher would be very happy to see it put online and all the
efforts go to some
Hi there,
I think Connie's answer is well put. I just need to make a note to clarify
a point. Quoting Behdad Esfahbod:
I guess I did my part on showing the community, including Dr
Pedram Safari, that the claim by Masoud Hashemi regarding
authoring the dictionary which is apparently Aryanpour,
Just my last words:
* Like Mr Khanban, as I wrote in my long report before, I checked
it with the one-volume Aryanpur dictionary and all 20 entries I
checked matched perfectly.
* Even if people have changed 90% of it, the rest 10% is
copyrighted by Aryanpurs. Copyright holders accumulate, not
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Pedram Safari wrote:
I do not know about pronunciation, but the dictionary at
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~safari/dictionary/
(which was discussed above) is transliteration-based (using the so-called
mikhi alphabet, available on the right side of the page), if that is
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