Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-24 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 10:25, C Bobroff wrote: Is there any way to type a hyphen that will resist break-up during wrapping? Use the Insert | Symbol menu in MS Word for lots of other things also, copyright symbols, non-breaking spaces, longer dashes, ... roozbeh

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-24 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:05, Hooman Mehr wrote: The fact that Iranian authorities in this regard act as if they are directly appointed by God is another story... Don't get hot, please. roozbeh PS: Where is this admin hat? I left it just here last time! :'-( roozbeh

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-24 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:47, hameed afssari wrote: Microsoft Lunar Hijri calendar is based on Calculation of Saudi Arabian Authority and not Kuwait ... I can't confirm that. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar where it specifically mentions that: Microsoft uses the

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-23 Thread Omid K. Rad
Hello, I am slow these days to answer, sorry for that; I'm getting over the exams now. I read the mailings for the last few days about the calendar. It's nice to see new and knowledgeable friends like Hooman Mehr and Ordak D. Coward taking part here. There were things new for me and mixed up a

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-23 Thread Omid K. Rad
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Hi Omid and Connie, MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or minus two days -- true but not very useful. [...] Hi Hooman, The Hijri calendar introduced in MSDN does not

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-20 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi Connie, OK, white flag up! I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I am very busy. Hooman On May 20, 2004, at 2:16 AM, C Bobroff wrote: Dear Hooman, I may move these stories to my pending weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days. Why should you

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-20 Thread C Bobroff
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I am very busy. OK! But if we are to properly judge your confession of past crimes, be sure to not leave out any details and please start from the beginning. You know, the glaciers were

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi Ordak, What you say makes perfect sense. I just didn't want to go into detail of everything in this regard. Suffice it so say, in such cases people come to agreement on establishing such authorities as part of their civil society. I vaguely hinted this in my post. Such an authority develops

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread Hooman Mehr
Dear Connie, Thank you very much for your interest and support. I will try to start talking about such things soon. I may move these stories to my pending weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days. When I start the weblog I will announce it here. Although my limited time may

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread C Bobroff
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote: The Unicode character is U-2011, Non-Breaking Hyphen. If you don't have it on your keyboard, you may be able to use this information to type it with other tools or utilities. As Ordak D. Coward reports, Ctrl-Shift-Hyphen instead of hyphen does the trick in

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread C Bobroff
Dear Hooman, I may move these stories to my pending weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days. Why should you move to your weblog? I can't think of a better place for the story of Persian computing than PersianComputing. One more thing, the reason that I may seem talented

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread Behnam
I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script. B. On 19-May-04, at 5:38 PM, C Bobroff wrote: U+2011 should definitely be part of the custom Perso-Arabic transliteration keyboards. (Hint to Peter) ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-19 Thread C Bobroff
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote: I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script. I meant both Latin input and output here. The punishment for misunderstanding the question is that you have to answer some Mac questions! (New form of flaming, hope you like it!) I'm getting 1 or 2 Mac users per

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-18 Thread C Bobroff
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: - Birashk's book. He had published a book on his work, if memory serves me, it was called 'taarikh-tatbighi-ye Iran'. Looks like the English version of this book is on sale if you're interested:

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Ordak, Lemme welcome you to our list. Comments below. On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: - As the lunar calendar in Iran is observation based, there is no way to have an exact conversion for a date in future to/from lunar calendar. However, it is possible to do so for past

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-18 Thread Ordak D. Coward
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:58:05 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: - Jalali vs Iranian. I strongly prefer Jalali, as it refers to a spcific method of keeping dates regardless of the country it is used in. For example, if were still

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-18 Thread C Bobroff
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: On a second thought, I got reluctant to discuss this matter on the list. It would be way off topic. Moreover, I am afraid that whatever I say could be interpreted as political statement or religious evangelism and start flamewars. Looks like Fortune

Re: Iranian Calendar (P.S.)

2004-05-18 Thread C Bobroff
Actually, all this off-topic mix of calendars and philosophy has reminded me that when I was writing something (in English) a few months ago on Al-Biruni, whenever his name came up at the end of the line in Word, it would wrap and so the Al- would be on one line and the Biruni would go down to the

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi Omid and Connie, MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or minus two days -- true but not very useful. Alright my example is grossly exaggerated, but I mean to highlight my point. The official Iranian Islamic Calendar

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 01:41, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: You are self-conflicting yourself. I define consensus as 100% vote of the talking community, and again I say we have reached a consensus here. Take a poll, then. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 00:33, C Bobroff wrote: Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert We don't know that. Exact questions are: when exactly did the calendar become official? And when did it cease to be the

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:15, Omid K. Rad wrote: In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar, and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used. I don't get you. Afghanistan clearly doesn't use a Jalali subtype. Their current leap year algorithm is synced with the Gregorian system, so

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:56, Hooman Mehr wrote: I think we should avoid solar / lunar designations in the English name to make it more meaningful and less confusing for none-Iranians. I don't agree. One can't reduce confusion by being less specific. People who work on calendars already know

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:55, Hooman Mehr wrote: It comes upwith an initial estimate (or best guess) of the *adjusted* calendarwhich is usually only re-adjusted for Ramadan. ... and Shawwal. This pre-adjustedcalendar is not the same as the basic table in MSDN, nor the mostlyobservational

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Ali A Khanban
Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:39, Ali A Khanban wrote: Shaahanshaahi calendar was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357. When exactly? I know that not all of 1357 was known as 2537. In Early 1357 it was abolished. Does it really matter? It is only a historical

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi, Thank you for the refinements and clarifications. Maybe I've used to the old Mac OS calendar API which used to correctly support dates way before Gregorian calendar existed (even before Christian era). On the other hand, even if you reduce my suggested number to 2000 days, you'll find

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or want to know it? Yeah, the reason is

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread C Bobroff
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or want to know it? Please continue. We

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread C Bobroff
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote: Shaahanshaahi calendar was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357. It was simply a map: Add 1180 to Iranian calendar. But is that the official name? I might have just made that up. Abbreviations?? -Connie

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread hameed afssari
for practical and Civic( planning holidays,...) for this calendar. From: Roozbeh Pournader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hooman Mehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "'PersianComputing'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Iranian Calendar Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:05:33 +0430 On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:55, H

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-17 Thread C Bobroff
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote: Of course, it is possible to find the exact date, for example by looking at the archive of Ettela'at or Kayhan newspapers, and see when the date in their title changes. Unfortunately, I don't have access to them at the moment, maybe later. ok, the

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Omid K. Rad
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian Calendar, quite like Chinese, Japanese, and other countries. Iranian

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi Behdad, I have a question (targeting you and everybody else working on Persian locale projects such as .Net) The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other islamic countries. It is an important

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian Calendar, quite like

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Hooman, Thanks for the question. I go with Iranian Islamic Calendar. I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad names. And Islamic makes sense since that's what this calendar is called in English, so ours is the *Iranian* Islamic Calendar. And then Iranian Calendar and

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other islamic countries. It is an important calendar, since it determines half of the holidays on our calendar. We also

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Omid K. Rad
Title: Message On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other islamic countries. It is an important calendar, since it

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar, and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used. I don't

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar, and in

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list. So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Hamed Malek wrote: On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list. So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 15 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert and what's its official name was and abbreviations, if any? That will be nice if that system also makes its way into online

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Well, this calendar is used in Iran, is computed with Iranian rules. Afghan calendar is completely different. Something no body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same calendar, is it right? On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Something no body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same calendar, is it right? Hang on a few days. I'll ask. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread C Bobroff
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/second-edition/CIIT.ht ml Thanks. I took a look. Perhaps the Islamic calendars should provide the time as well as the date and also say which time zone/region the calendar is referring to. I guess this

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-16 Thread Hooman Mehr
Hi Behdad, Very good. Agreed to Iranian Calendar and Iranian Islamic Calendar. Hooman On May 17, 2004, at 12:01 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi Hooman, Thanks for the question. I go with Iranian Islamic Calendar. I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad names. And Islamic makes

Re: Iranian Calendar

2004-05-15 Thread C Bobroff
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right? Iranian Calendar does sound like the best choice. Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also