Re: Dictionaries on the web
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 04:17, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: as you have *bought* the software, you can do whatever you want with it, as it's your property. Only that single copy will become your property of course. And you cannot do whatever you want with it: you cannot kill someone using it, you cannot copy it indefinitely, ... Well, you are mixing irrelevant things here. You can do whatever you want with it. But if there's a law saying Thou Shall Not Kill that's a completely another story. Note Note Note Note Note: We need an Iranian lawyer :(. behdad So, which of these I'm allowed to do and which not? I don't know. I don't support my previous personal point anymore. It may be completely legal to do all of those. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Dictionaries on the web
Ebadat A.R. wrote: Hi, I think putting Dictionaries on the web needs a special license . Buying a software means you are getting license to use this software as it is. There is no license for presenting this software on the web. If you want to use software in another program or another location you have to get special license for new location. We are working on Machine Translation system (Pars Translator http://www.ParsTranslator.Net ) and our customers have no license to put this software on the web as we mentioned in License Agreement before. As I saw in many software (specially dictionaries) , there is no license to put the dictionary on the web. Let me know if you have any Dictionary software with license for putting data on the web. Regards, Pars Translator Group, Ebadat A.R. - Original Message - From: "Behdad Esfahbod" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Persian Computing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2004/03/03 09:53 AM Subject: Dictionaries on the web Long boring thread again. I just want to note that simply putting an online dictionary service on the web does not need any permission from the copyright holder of the dictionary data. So for example I can buy an Aryanpour dictionary, extract the data, and write a web program that you can query the meaning of a particular word, and it would return to you the meaning. The important point here is that, for this to be legal: * You should have obtained your copy of the information legally, eg. bought the CD. * You should not redistribute the data, eg. no "download dictionary here". Last but not least, IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer). behdad PS. I know at least one online dictionary service that is claiming to be legal in this way. They do not service to the public still because they are not sure about the validity of the above argument. ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing As for the http://www.parstranslator.net/ site, I could not get it to work! Now, that we are talking about licensing and authorship etc, I am very much curious to know where have you got your translations and definitions for your products from. I sincerely doubt that you have done it all by yourself, so my guess is that you have copied, if not exactly, from other resources, Aryanpour, etc. If so, how have you handled the copyright then? Regards. ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Dictionaries on the web
On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 04:17, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: as you have *bought* the software, you can do whatever you want with it, as it's your property. Only that single copy will become your property of course. And you cannot do whatever you want with it: you cannot kill someone using it, you cannot copy it indefinitely, ... So, which of these I'm allowed to do and which not? I don't know. I don't support my previous personal point anymore. It may be completely legal to do all of those. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Dictionaries on the web
I mentioned before that we have a license agreement with our users . Upon to this agreement, we didn't sell anything to our users, instead we got our user to use our package (software with data) in single machine (personally). If you want I can send you our license agreement. Buying a software means you are getting license to use this software as it is. There is no license for presenting this software on the web. But we are not talking about software here. Information is different from software. It really depends on how you define software. Is an MS Word document software? When you are talking about MS Word document, you mean a document that you wrote before. Is it possible to use MS Word Spell Checker in your website? If you check the license agreement of MS word, you can see that you have no permission to use this part of MS Word except in this software. And of course, buying a piece of software does not necessarily mean that you are getting license to use this software as it is. It depends very different things depending on the license. I won't go into details, as this is off-topic. I agree with you . when you buy a software you should check the License Agreement . You have permission based on License Agreement and if you don't accept this agreement , you are not allowed to install and use this software. When you install this software , it means you agree with License Agreement . Anyway, I think , License Agreement is the most important piece of a package or software. So let me talk about special software and analyzing the License Agreement of that software. Regards, Ebadat A.R. - Original Message - From: Roozbeh Pournader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ebadat A.R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Persian Computing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2004/03/03 09:04 PM Subject: Re: Dictionaries on the web On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:32, Ebadat A.R. wrote: Hi, I think putting Dictionaries on the web needs a special license . What about putting dictionaries in a public library? Is this not the same issue? What is the difference between a physical copy in a very crowded libary and a web service? I am trying to list some (with differing opinions in parentheses): 1) In a library, only one person can use the dictionary at a certain moment; in other words, word lookups can't happen simultaneously, and should happen by some delay. (But that is also true about the online dictionary: the CPU can only serve one request at a certain time. The two users will definitely have some difference on when they get the info if they request it at the same time.) 2) In a library, there is a physical presence requirement. (How is that supposed to be important? Does that also mean you may put such a software on your intranet but not the internet? If yes, what is the exact legal difference?) 3) A library is an old notion, by selling a paper copy of the dictionary, the copyright holder knows the maximum possible extent how it may get shared in a library previously, but it's another scenario when you put the information online. (I can't find anything against that.) Buying a software means you are getting license to use this software as it is. There is no license for presenting this software on the web. But we are not talking about software here. Information is different from software. It really depends on how you define software. Is an MS Word document software? And of course, buying a piece of software does not necessarily mean that you are getting license to use this software as it is. It depends very different things depending on the license. I won't go into details, as this is off-topic. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
