On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:51, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>
> > Man, how many yours you
> > have been in this business?
>
> I can't remember. Many. And seeing how little amount of output I have
> produced, I'm clearly a waster of my time, it seems.
Come on. This is one of those tricks of yours ;-). I mean how
many people you have seen *interested* in doing Open Source and
left without warning...
> > No, but any project run by IRI a foolish dumb one with no results
> > wasting oil money.
>
> The project won't be run by IRI. It will be run by an NGO.
I don't get all this NGO thing. The money it comes from oil,
passing a handful of hops, divided by two a handful of times...
> > You know I'm so disappointed about the
> > National Persian Linux project.
>
> That project is generally wasting oil money, I agree. Better work can be
> done much cheaper with a much better quality.
>
> BTW, the Persian Computing community may be interested to see the
> technical output of certain projects there. I personally appreciate any
> discussion of the following documents here on this mailing list:
>
> Good (a specification and implementation for Persian fonts):
> http://projects.farsilinux.org/download.php/10/opentype.zip
Very good. Contains a list very good reference font for Persian
font designers.
BTW, their patched Pango is next to useless to me, since there's
no patch provided, no information about when they did check out
Pango, etc. Roozbeh, can you ask them for a set of patches
instead? I can probably help feeding the patches to Owen Taylor.
> Bad (a specification for the Iranian calendar):
> http://projects.farsilinux.org/download.php/13/PersianCalendar3.pdf
> http://projects.farsilinux.org/download.php/13/PersianCalendar4.pdf
Not even worth the bandwidth! :(.
> Ugly (Compilation of some non-standard Persian fonts *released* by a
> project who is supposed to write a specification about requirements of a
> Persian keyboard driver for Linux):
> http://projects.farsilinux.org/download.php/6/Farsi_Font_Linux_2.zip
No comment.
> > I'm afraid not. I'm afraid one of these days I theoretically
> > prove it can't be solved.
>
> I'd be happy enough with that. I'll call that a solution.
I know you will always be happy with this discoveries of mine
:-).
> > (that bidi is not reversible
> > simply means you can't get a 100% expected cursor position, huh?)
>
> Can't get the idea. You need to elaborate. But it's OK with me if you
> want to close the thread.
So I promise to go back to the joining code after this last reply :D.
I was just saying that since bidi is not reversible, you can't
predict the next cursor position, either in your logical, or
visual string. Think a couple of seconds and you get the idea.
Remember Gaspar Sinai's concerns about bidi in Yudit? Nothing
really new, all I say is that there's no *perfect* solution out
there. But that means nothing with the mess we have right now.
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:55, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > Well we have done it a few times, but I meant the tentative
> > list we prepared for that Persian Linux project, but that ain't
> > nothing.
>
> Yeah, that was not about Persian Computing. That was about
> internationalizing and localizing GNU/Linux software for Persian.
I believe the GNU/Linux part has just been the medium. But Ok,
it was not about details, but the big picture. So, we are all
waiting for the wiki.
BTW, I'm living with this song of Bob Dylan these days:
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/hattie.html
TC
--behdad
behdad.org
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