Re: The New Alef

2005-02-26 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 20:29 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> > It's used on car plates, but the exact usage is disputed among a few
> > friends of mine.
> 
> What do you mean exactly?

That what kind of car plates used the Alef. The car plates which use it
are red usually, but appear without the marks that usually appeared on
cars with older red plates, which were governmental or public service or
something. They appear on cars which look like other cars in every way.

roozbeh


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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-25 Thread Connie Bobroff
Quoting Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > http://bamdad.org/~roozbeh/alef.jpg
> 
> Smart!  That can be useful in hex numbers written in Arabic
> script too.  Indeed they want it to look like one letter, and
> don't want the Alef to be read as "1".
> 

Smart indeed!  Put this on the list of desired characters for fonts.
Suddenly I'm realizing how ugly my multiple choice tests are looking with the
Alef spelled out letter-by-letter when it could be this attractive, compact
design as one glyph, perhaps no larger than Beh, Jim, etc.

-Connie
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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:

> There has been a new Alef around for quite a while. For those who don't
> live in Iran or haven't seen it yet for any reasons, a photo is
> available at:
>
>   http://bamdad.org/~roozbeh/alef.jpg

Smart!  That can be useful in hex numbers written in Arabic
script too.  Indeed they want it to look like one letter, and
don't want the Alef to be read as "1".

> It's used on car plates, but the exact usage is disputed among a few
> friends of mine.

What do you mean exactly?

> roozbeh

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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-23 Thread Connie Bobroff
Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Umm..., because they connect the Alef to the Lam at the top and cut the
> Feh short? I have never seen it like that in a numbered list.

To save time, I just asked Mamoun Sakkal. Here's what he says on the matter:

Hi Connie,

You are right this type of connection between Alif and Lam is not new. It has 
been in use for many centuries and happens in calligraphic compositions rather 
than everyday writing. It happens in many styles but most in Thuluth and 
Diwani
See an example of my work at
http://www.sakkal.com/1000_club/

and click on Stage Banner where the same connection is used in the last word of

the composition.

See sketch 3.6 at
http://www.sakkal.com/Graphics/Calligraphy/commissions/saudi/sketch03.html

The same type of connection is used in other works such as
http://www.sakkal.com/Graphics/logos/multaqa
http://www.sakkal.com/Graphics/Calligraphy/commissions/farzat/book_titles.html

but here the Alif is modified to connect to the Lam while the Lam remains 
vertical without bend.

Hope this helps.

Mamoun
 



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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-23 Thread Ali A. Khanban

Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 07:57 -0600, Connie Bobroff wrote:
 

Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
   

There has been a new Alef around for quite a while. 
 

Why do you say "new?" Alef is always written out that way as in
"numbered lists," 
   

Umm..., because they connect the Alef to the Lam at the top and cut the
Feh short? I have never seen it like that in a numbered list.
 

It just makes it more like one character, and it needs less space, 
especially on the car number plates.

Best
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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 07:57 -0600, Connie Bobroff wrote:
> Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > There has been a new Alef around for quite a while. 
> 
> Why do you say "new?" Alef is always written out that way as in
> "numbered lists," 

Umm..., because they connect the Alef to the Lam at the top and cut the
Feh short? I have never seen it like that in a numbered list.

roozbeh


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Re: The New Alef

2005-02-23 Thread Connie Bobroff
Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> There has been a new Alef around for quite a while. 

Why do you say "new?" Alef is always written out that way as in
"numbered lists," 
1
2
3
alif
b
j
etc

-Connie
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