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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

2017-11-28 Thread Paul Storch


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I agree with Pascal's cogent explanation below.  One of the key components
in an effective IPM program is exclusion/structural integrity.  For any
type of trapping program to work, efforts must be taken to physically
exclude the pest from the structure.  If the 'conservators' were speaking
in the context of large, porous structures such as warehouses, old
barracks, hangars, or museums in re-purposed historic military buildings,
then their warnings could be applicable.  As a blanket statement, however,
it doesn't make much sense.

We have used pheromone traps in the Minnesota History Center to track down
the source of a clothes moth infestation and they worked very well.

Paul Storch
Minnesota Historical Society

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>
>
> I must say that the advice from the two conservators giving the course was
> not very precise!! I give a lot of IPM courses in Europe and other places,
> and usually we get this question at every workshop, here is my standard
> answer:
>
> 1. Yes it is possible that we attract animals from outside, but place
> pheromone traps in the center of the room at least 5-10m from windows and
> doors to prevent this. -> easy to prevent
>
> 2. Usually sex pheromones for moths and carpet beetles will only attract
> the males and you need a female laying eggs to start an infestation. -> so
> no big problem!
>
> 3. If I have the feeling that there is a source of moths outside of the
> building, this is a very important information and I place one trap inside
> and one outside to have a reliable answer to this question. If they really
> come from outside (a bird nest or dead animal can be a source of the
> infestation) your collection inside is at risk to get infested -> get rid
> of the problem
>
> 4. If you use food bait for mice (or some beetles) yes you can attract
> animals from outside so you have to think if the information is useful and
> important for you.
>
> Pheromone traps are a very important tool for the monitoring of many pests
> and I use hundreds for webbing clothes moths in many buildings, they
> collect a lot of important information’s for the IPM!!
>
>
>
> All the best from Vienna,
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
> Good morning. I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use
> pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles. One of my
> staff was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two
> conservators that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums
> as they lure bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors
> and windows. They stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings
> and makes it more difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps
> as well as ground traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in
> - no carpet beetles in the floor traps but we do get a couple in the
> pheromone traps). I have never heard of this happening before and wanted to
> check to see anyone has heard of this or knew approximately how far one of
> the pheromone traps "odor" went out from the trap. I just can't see that
> one of these small traps can lure insects through doors and walls like the
> two conservators stated. Any information you could provide would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Scott A. Neel, PhD
>
> Director / Curator
>
> Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum
>
> US Army Fires Center of Excellence
>
> 372 Gannahl Road
>
> Fort Sill, OK 73503
>
> Office: 580-442-6570
>
> Fax: 580-442-0552
>
> Website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sill-
> 2Dwww.army.mil_museum_=DwIGaQ=o14_68DQy6cMJf5D8ZSrZQ=h76q8gSEGveT_
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>
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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

2017-11-28 Thread Voron, Joel


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If you have pheromone traps in multiple sites that are successfully trapping 
carpet beetles (which would be males)I would be worried about pulling them 
without educating staff on specific sanitation procedure and setting up 
protocols on targeted vacuuming to break the cycle. You will have males on the 
loose looking to  procreate. The building envelopes should be evaluated as well 
at chronic hot spots. Then I would say it would be safer to scale back 
some..But I would think it unwise to say none ever as they can be quite the 
resource for pin pointing a breach or source. JTV


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Dear Scott,



I must say that the advice from the two conservators giving the course was not 
very precise!! I give a lot of IPM courses in Europe and other places, and 
usually we get this question at every workshop, here is my standard answer:

1. Yes it is possible that we attract animals from outside, but place pheromone 
traps in the center of the room at least 5-10m from windows and doors to 
prevent this. -> easy to prevent

2. Usually sex pheromones for moths and carpet beetles will only attract the 
males and you need a female laying eggs to start an infestation. -> so no big 
problem!

3. If I have the feeling that there is a source of moths outside of the 
building, this is a very important information and I place one trap inside and 
one outside to have a reliable answer to this question. If they really come 
from outside (a bird nest or dead animal can be a source of the infestation) 
your collection inside is at risk to get infested -> get rid of the problem

4. If you use food bait for mice (or some beetles) yes you can attract animals 
from outside so you have to think if the information is useful and important 
for you.

Pheromone traps are a very important tool for the monitoring of many pests and 
I use hundreds for webbing clothes moths in many buildings, they collect a lot 
of important information’s for the IPM!!



All the best from Vienna,



Pascal




CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED



Good morning. I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use 
pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles. One of my staff 
was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two conservators 
that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums as they lure 
bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors and windows. They 
stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings and makes it more 
difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps as well as ground 
traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in - no carpet beetles in 
the floor traps but we do get a couple in the pheromone traps). I have never 
heard of this happening before and wanted to check to see anyone has heard of 
this or knew approximately how far one of the pheromone traps "odor" went out 
from the trap. I just can't see that one of these small traps can lure insects 
through doors and walls like the two conservators stated. Any information you 
could provide would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you.



Scott A. Neel, PhD

Director / Curator

Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum

US Army Fires Center of Excellence

372 Gannahl Road

Fort Sill, OK 73503

Office: 580-442-6570

Fax: 580-442-0552

Website: 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sill-2Dwww.army.mil_museum_=DwIGaQ=o14_68DQy6cMJf5D8ZSrZQ=h76q8gSEGveT_ArI6lhAokkItVFZcy_coqmo_UG_Ha8=0OBHW9YpYiFvGakDNIa6ni3MRohiGpDHHXMOFqI93Nc=fUw1bNv8j_qKJu9vhMDvpwrncaC2I-G9qNKNwRKCb2Y=

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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

2017-11-28 Thread Sharon Penton


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Hi,

I completely agree with Pascal and have had a lot of experience with the
webbing clothes moth lures. the only think I would add is that they are not
intended to get rid of an infestation (as Pascal said they only attract the
males) but they are a great way of pinning down the source. I think you
need to use your own digression. If you don't feel they are causing a
problem then keep using them. I have spoken to many entomologist and they
all seem to agree that unless you actually hang it in a open window you
shouldn't attract too many outside pest.

Hope this helps.

Sharon Penton

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>
>
>
> I must say that the advice from the two conservators giving the course was
> not very precise!! I give a lot of IPM courses in Europe and other places,
> and usually we get this question at every workshop, here is my standard
> answer:
>
> 1. Yes it is possible that we attract animals from outside, but place
> pheromone traps in the center of the room at least 5-10m from windows and
> doors to prevent this. -> easy to prevent
>
> 2. Usually sex pheromones for moths and carpet beetles will only attract
> the males and you need a female laying eggs to start an infestation. -> so
> no big problem!
>
> 3. If I have the feeling that there is a source of moths outside of the
> building, this is a very important information and I place one trap inside
> and one outside to have a reliable answer to this question. If they really
> come from outside (a bird nest or dead animal can be a source of the
> infestation) your collection inside is at risk to get infested -> get rid
> of the problem
>
> 4. If you use food bait for mice (or some beetles) yes you can attract
> animals from outside so you have to think if the information is useful and
> important for you.
>
> Pheromone traps are a very important tool for the monitoring of many pests
> and I use hundreds for webbing clothes moths in many buildings, they
> collect a lot of important information’s for the IPM!!
>
>
>
> All the best from Vienna,
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
> Good morning. I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use
> pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles. One of my
> staff was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two
> conservators that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums
> as they lure bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors
> and windows. They stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings
> and makes it more difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps
> as well as ground traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in
> - no carpet beetles in the floor traps but we do get a couple in the
> pheromone traps). I have never heard of this happening before and wanted to
> check to see anyone has heard of this or knew approximately how far one of
> the pheromone traps "odor" went out from the trap. I just can't see that
> one of these small traps can lure insects through doors and walls like the
> two conservators stated. Any information you could provide would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Scott A. Neel, PhD
>
> Director / Curator
>
> Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum
>
> US Army Fires Center of Excellence
>
> 372 Gannahl Road
>
> Fort Sill, OK 73503
>
> Office: 580-442-6570 <(580)%20442-6570>
>
> Fax: 580-442-0552 <(580)%20442-0552>
>
> Website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sill-
> 2Dwww.army.mil_museum_=DwIGaQ=o14_68DQy6cMJf5D8ZSrZQ=h76q8gSEGveT_
> ArI6lhAokkItVFZcy_coqmo_UG_Ha8=0OBHW9YpYiFvGakDNIa6ni3MRohiGp
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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

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Group -
 
The answer from the person in Vienna was excellent.  Let me add:
 
Pheromone lures positioned on traps only work in fairly still air.  The 
molecules of the lure have to build up a bit to attract the male moths.  Any 
molecules making their way outdoors would be diluted by even a slight wind and 
not leave a "trail" sufficient for the males to follow.
 
Thomas A. Parker, PhD
President, Entomologist
Pest Control Services, Inc.
 
 
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Good morning.  I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use 
pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles.  One of my staff 
was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two conservators 
that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums as they lure 
bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors and windows.  They 
stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings and makes it more 
difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps as well as ground 
traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in - no carpet beetles in 
the floor traps but we do get a couple in the pheromone traps).  I have never 
heard of this happening before and wanted to check to see anyone has heard of 
this or knew approximately how far one of the pheromone traps "odor" went out 
from the trap.  I just can't see that one of these small traps can lure insects 
through doors and walls like the two conservators stated.  Any information you 
could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Scott A. Neel, PhD
Director / Curator
Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum
US Army Fires Center of Excellence
372 Gannahl Road
Fort Sill, OK   73503
Office:  580-442-6570
Fax:  580-442-0552
Website:  http://sill-www.army.mil/museum/
Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Sill-National-Historic-Landmark-and 
Museum/368889589827678 

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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

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Dear Scott,

I must say that the advice from the two conservators giving the course was not very precise!! I give a lot of IPM courses in Europe and other places, and usually we get this question at every workshop, here is my standard answer:

1. Yes it is possible that we attract animals from outside, but place pheromone traps in the center of the room at least 5-10m from windows and doors to prevent this. -> easy to prevent

2. Usually sex pheromones for moths and carpet beetles will only attract the males and you need a female laying eggs to start an infestation. -> so no big problem!

3. If I have the feeling that there is a source of moths outside of the building, this is a very important information and I place one trap inside and one outside to have a reliable answer to this question. If they really come from outside (a bird nest or dead animal can be a source of the infestation) your collection inside is at risk to get infested -> get rid of the problem

4. If you use food bait for mice (or some beetles) yes you can attract animals from outside so you have to think if the information is useful and important for you.

Pheromone traps are a very important tool for the monitoring of many pests and I use hundreds for webbing clothes moths in many buildings, they collect a lot of important information’s for the IPM!!

All the best from Vienna,

Pascal

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Good morning. I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles. One of my staff was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two conservators that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums as they lure bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors and windows. They stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings and makes it more difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps as well as ground traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in - no carpet beetles in the floor traps but we do get a couple in the pheromone traps). I have never heard of this happening before and wanted to check to see anyone has heard of this or knew approximately how far one of the pheromone traps "odor" went out from the trap. I just can't see that one of these small traps can lure insects through doors and walls like the two conservators stated. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Scott A. Neel, PhD

Director / Curator

Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum

US Army Fires Center of Excellence

372 Gannahl Road

Fort Sill, OK 73503

Office: 580-442-6570

Fax: 580-442-0552

Website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sill-2Dwww.army.mil_museum_=DwIGaQ=o14_68DQy6cMJf5D8ZSrZQ=h76q8gSEGveT_ArI6lhAokkItVFZcy_coqmo_UG_Ha8=0OBHW9YpYiFvGakDNIa6ni3MRohiGpDHHXMOFqI93Nc=fUw1bNv8j_qKJu9vhMDvpwrncaC2I-G9qNKNwRKCb2Y=

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Re: [pestlist] Pheromone Pest Control Traps (UNCLASSIFIED)

2017-11-28 Thread Laura Russman


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Hi Scott,

I am by no means an expert when it comes to this sort of thing - I am still 
learning myself - but from my understanding, the pheromone or no-pheromone trap 
thing is still heavily up for debate. However...we DO try to avoid pheromone 
traps where I work - unless we have a problem with a particular pest already 
and are trying to catch it (mice, for example).

Hopefully others can chime in with more expert advice for you!

Best of luck,
Laura

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Good morning.  I work for the US Army at one of their museums and we use 
pheromone pest control traps, especially for carpet beetles.  One of my staff 
was at a US Army museums course two weeks ago and was told by two conservators 
that all pheromone traps must be removed from all Army museums as they lure 
bugs in from outside with the pheromone - like through doors and windows.  They 
stated that it attracts more insects in to the buildings and makes it more 
difficult to control pests (we have these pheromone traps as well as ground 
traps near doors and windows to catch anything coming in - no carpet beetles in 
the floor traps but we do get a couple in the pheromone traps).  I have never 
heard of this happening before and wanted to check to see anyone has heard of 
this or knew approximately how far one of the pheromone traps "odor" went out 
from the trap.  I just can't see that one of these small traps can lure insects 
through doors and walls like the two conservators stated.  Any information you 
could provide would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you.



Scott A. Neel, PhD

Director / Curator

Fort Sill National Historic Landmark and Museum

US Army Fires Center of Excellence

372 Gannahl Road

Fort Sill, OK   73503

Office:  580-442-6570

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