Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
-Original Message- From: Chris Ernst [mailto:cer...@zvelo.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:55 PM To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys? On 04/16/2012 07:02 PM, amador alvarez wrote: How about deferring the FK's while recreating the PK ? or using a temporary parallel table to be pointed by the other tables (FK) and swap it up on the recreation. Hmm.. Interesting. But it appears that you have to declare the foreign key as deferrable at creation. Is there any way to set an existing foreign key as deferrable? - Chris May be this (from the docs) would help: ADD table_constraint [ NOT VALID ] This form adds a new constraint to a table using the same syntax as CREATE TABLE, plus the option NOT VALID, which is currently only allowed for foreign key constraints. If the constraint is marked NOT VALID, the potentially-lengthy initial check to verify that all rows in the table satisfy the constraint is skipped. The constraint will still be enforced against subsequent inserts or updates (that is, they'll fail unless there is a matching row in the referenced table). But the database will not assume that the constraint holds for all rows in the table, until it is validated by using the VALIDATE CONSTRAINT option. Using this option you can drop and recreate corresponding FKs in a very short time, and start using them, while postponing to run VALIDATE CONSTRAINT for later. It's similar to Oracle's adding FK with NOCHECK option, but if IRC there is no need to run VALIDATE CONSTRAINT later. Regards, Igor Neyman -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
Unfortunately I checked out that the deferrable option does not let us drop the PK (postgres8.4) while remaining FK's , I did not try on the constraint as NOT VALID is not supported by postgres8. So unless you have a 9 release or you get a try on a parallel table, you have to follow the manual procedure : Generate new index drop FK's Drop PK Recreate PK swiching to the new index Recreate FK's Can you afford a quick temporary user access to the database? On 04/17/2012 06:43 AM, Igor Neyman wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Ernst [mailto:cer...@zvelo.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:55 PM To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys? On 04/16/2012 07:02 PM, amador alvarez wrote: How about deferring the FK's while recreating the PK ? or using a temporary parallel table to be pointed by the other tables (FK) and swap it up on the recreation. Hmm.. Interesting. But it appears that you have to declare the foreign key as deferrable at creation. Is there any way to set an existing foreign key as deferrable? - Chris May be this (from the docs) would help: ADD table_constraint [ NOT VALID ] This form adds a new constraint to a table using the same syntax as CREATE TABLE, plus the option NOT VALID, which is currently only allowed for foreign key constraints. If the constraint is marked NOT VALID, the potentially-lengthy initial check to verify that all rows in the table satisfy the constraint is skipped. The constraint will still be enforced against subsequent inserts or updates (that is, they'll fail unless there is a matching row in the referenced table). But the database will not assume that the constraint holds for all rows in the table, until it is validated by using the VALIDATE CONSTRAINT option. Using this option you can drop and recreate corresponding FKs in a very short time, and start using them, while postponing to run VALIDATE CONSTRAINT for later. It's similar to Oracle's adding FK with NOCHECK option, but if IRC there is no need to run VALIDATE CONSTRAINT later. Regards, Igor Neyman -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
On 04/15/2012 10:57 PM, Frank Lanitz wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:05 -0600 Chris Ernst cer...@zvelo.com wrote: Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? REINDEX is not working here? Hi Frank, Thanks, but REINDEX is not an option as it would take an exclusive lock on the table for several hours. For all of the other indexes, I create a new index concurrently, drop the old and swap in the new. But the primary key is a bit trickier because I can't drop the primary key index without dropping the primary key constraint and I can't drop the primary key constraint without dropping all of the foreign keys that reference that column. - Chris -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
Am 16.04.2012 10:32, schrieb Chris Ernst: On 04/15/2012 10:57 PM, Frank Lanitz wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:05 -0600 Chris Ernst cer...@zvelo.com wrote: Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? REINDEX is not working here? Hi Frank, Thanks, but REINDEX is not an option as it would take an exclusive lock on the table for several hours. Well, from my little view I guess all rebuilding index action would require such, as its the primary key with uniqueness. I'd think of a complete reinit of the cluster with pg_dump and restoring, but this would also need a downtime at least for write access. Why is the index so bloated? Cheers, Frank -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
On 04/16/2012 02:39 AM, Frank Lanitz wrote: Am 16.04.2012 10:32, schrieb Chris Ernst: On 04/15/2012 10:57 PM, Frank Lanitz wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:05 -0600 Chris Ernst cer...@zvelo.com wrote: Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? REINDEX is not working here? Hi Frank, Thanks, but REINDEX is not an option as it would take an exclusive lock on the table for several hours. Well, from my little view I guess all rebuilding index action would require such, as its the primary key with uniqueness. I'd think of a complete reinit of the cluster with pg_dump and restoring, but this would also need a downtime at least for write access. Why is the index so bloated? As in my original post, you can create a unique index concurrently and then replace the primary key index with it. This way, the index creation doesn't require an exclusive lock. You only need a very brief exclusive lock to drop and recreate the primary key constraint using the new index. However, the index creation is not the issue here. That part is done. The issue is that there are several foreign keys depending on the primary key index that I want to drop and replace with the newly built unique index. I would prefer not to drop and recreate all of the foreign keys as that would require many hours of down time as well (the very situation I was trying to avoid by building the index concurrently and swapping it in). I believe the index bloat is due to a combination of under aggressive autovacuum settings and recently deleting about 30% of the table. - Chris -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
How about deferring the FK's while recreating the PK ? or using a temporary parallel table to be pointed by the other tables (FK) and swap it up on the recreation. Cheers, A.A On 04/16/2012 06:54 AM, Chris Ernst wrote: On 04/16/2012 02:39 AM, Frank Lanitz wrote: Am 16.04.2012 10:32, schrieb Chris Ernst: On 04/15/2012 10:57 PM, Frank Lanitz wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:05 -0600 Chris Ernstcer...@zvelo.com wrote: Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? REINDEX is not working here? Hi Frank, Thanks, but REINDEX is not an option as it would take an exclusive lock on the table for several hours. Well, from my little view I guess all rebuilding index action would require such, as its the primary key with uniqueness. I'd think of a complete reinit of the cluster with pg_dump and restoring, but this would also need a downtime at least for write access. Why is the index so bloated? As in my original post, you can create a unique index concurrently and then replace the primary key index with it. This way, the index creation doesn't require an exclusive lock. You only need a very brief exclusive lock to drop and recreate the primary key constraint using the new index. However, the index creation is not the issue here. That part is done. The issue is that there are several foreign keys depending on the primary key index that I want to drop and replace with the newly built unique index. I would prefer not to drop and recreate all of the foreign keys as that would require many hours of down time as well (the very situation I was trying to avoid by building the index concurrently and swapping it in). I believe the index bloat is due to a combination of under aggressive autovacuum settings and recently deleting about 30% of the table. - Chris -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
On 04/16/2012 07:02 PM, amador alvarez wrote: How about deferring the FK's while recreating the PK ? or using a temporary parallel table to be pointed by the other tables (FK) and swap it up on the recreation. Hmm.. Interesting. But it appears that you have to declare the foreign key as deferrable at creation. Is there any way to set an existing foreign key as deferrable? - Chris -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
[ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? Thanks in advance. Chris Ernst Data Operations Engineer Zvelo, Inc. http://zvelo.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Re: [ADMIN] Recreate primary key without dropping foreign keys?
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:05 -0600 Chris Ernst cer...@zvelo.com wrote: Hi all, In PostgreSQL 9.1.3, I have a few fairly large tables with bloated primary key indexes. I'm trying to replace them using newly created unique indexes as outlined in the docs. Something like: CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CONCURRENTLY dist_id_temp_idx ON distributors (dist_id); ALTER TABLE distributors DROP CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey, ADD CONSTRAINT distributors_pkey PRIMARY KEY USING INDEX dist_id_temp_idx; However, the initial drop of the primary key constraint fails because there are a whole bunch of foreign keys depending on it. I've done some searching and haven't found a workable solution. Is there any way to swap in the new index for the primary key constraint without dropping all dependent foreign keys? Or am I pretty much stuck with dropping and recreating all of the foreign keys? REINDEX is not working here? Cheers, Frank -- Frank Lanitz fr...@frank.uvena.de pgpJDvXqKf5js.pgp Description: PGP signature
