Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 24 September 2015 at 11:33, Gavin Flower wrote: > An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working > through (Note that it is obviously awkward to write with gender pronouns > when gender is irrelevant, note the "he she" in one place and

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 24/09/15 22:41, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 24 September 2015 at 11:33, Gavin Flower >wrote: An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working through (Note that it is obviously awkward to

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working through (Note that it is obviously awkward to write with gender pronouns when gender is irrelevant, note the "he she" in one place and "he/she" in another!): "If the user is a superuser, then he she has permission

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being > indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being third > person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively new usage,

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > You can think that if you like, but it's not even remotely true. It's a > deliberate choice to use a new, perfectly reasonable and now widely accepted > style of which you disapprove, but it's not lazy. It never

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 21:22, David Steele wrote: > I think conversations like this are a part of why we have trouble > attracting new contributors (of any gender) to the community. > ​It's very clear that my use of the word (which I shan't make the mistake of repeating!)

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

> I think conversations like this are a part of why we have trouble attracting > new contributors (of any gender) to the community. +1 -- Sent via pgsql-committers mailing list (pgsql-committers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription:

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 9/22/15 11:00 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: On 09/22/2015 10:29 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ That's your opinion; my opinion remains otherwise. It's not "perfectly reasonable" to abuse the plural because some 1960s feminazis either misunderstood or didn't like the fact that (because of history)

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 09:28, Albe Laurenz wrote: > Peter Geoghegan wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: > >> I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. > >> > >> > >> - environment variable); any

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: >> I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. >> >> >> - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his >> session. >> + environment variable); any user

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 14:09, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being > indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being > third person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively new usage, but I

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 09:28, Albe Laurenz >wrote: Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers > wrote: >> I

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower wrote: > On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> ​​ >> Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so sure I agree that >> it "condones" it. Dictionaries reflect the current state of usage, they >> don't act

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:17:54 +0100 Geoff Winkless wrote: > On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower > wrote: > > > On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> ?? > >> Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ?I'm not so sure I agree

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Hello all, I'm a non-native speaker and to my shame not very good in english at all. So just my 2c on the topic: "Users can make such a change for their individual sessions" is for me perfectly understandable. "any user can make such a change for their session" is for me a mixture of a

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22/09/15 22:17, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower >wrote: On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ ​ Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so sure I

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: If someone sends me a document that uses "their" in a singular usage, I will think that person is lazy. That will continue to be the case, whether people tell me that it's accepted usage or not. You can think that if you like, but it's not

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 10:29 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: Oh, good! We're actually going to have this argument? Even though I said I don't care what you do? On 22 September 2015 at 15:11, Andrew Dunstan > wrote: On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff

Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 12:32 AM, Erik Rijkers wrote: - might not be the same as the database user he needs to connect as. + might not be the same as the database user that is to be connect as. It is not an improvement. I would like to see this change rolled back. I agree this is awkward.

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 06:17 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower >wrote: On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ ​ Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Oh, good! We're actually going to have this argument? Even though I said I don't care what you do? On 22 September 2015 at 15:11, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> If someone sends me a document that uses "their" in a singular

Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 2015-09-22 04:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Use gender-neutral language in documentation Based on patch by Thomas Munro , although I rephrased most of the initial work. Branch -- master Details ---

[COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Use gender-neutral language in documentation Based on patch by Thomas Munro , although I rephrased most of the initial work. Branch -- master Details --- http://git.postgresql.org/pg/commitdiff/741ccd5015f82e31f80cdc5d2ae81263ea92d794 Modified Files

Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: > I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. > > > - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his > session. > + environment variable); any user can make such a change for their >