Re: DocBook 5.2

2024-09-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 06.09.24 10:50, Jürgen Purtz wrote: For the PG community I would like to raise the question: Do we need DocBook in the distro of any operating system? In the past we developed some stylesheets to adopt DocBook to our needs. They are part of PG's distro and refer to the standard with statemen

Re: DocBook 5.2

2024-09-06 Thread Jürgen Purtz
I took another look at this issue, and found that no Red Hat distro is yet shipping DocBook 5.2; not even Fedora 40 which is bleeding edge. So I would have to obtain and manually install the relevant DTDs and style sheets, as would a lot of other contributors. I'm less familiar with the Debian ec

Re: DocBook 5.2

2024-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
=?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Purtz?= writes: > [ conversion to DocBook 5.2 ] I took another look at this issue, and found that no Red Hat distro is yet shipping DocBook 5.2; not even Fedora 40 which is bleeding edge. So I would have to obtain and manually install the relevant DTDs and style sheets, as w

Re: DocBook 5.2

2024-06-25 Thread Jürgen Purtz
On 27.09.22 09:12, Jürgen Purtz wrote: Yeah, I think we'd have to convert all the supported versions to make this palatable. If the conversion is sufficiently automated, that might not be a big lift. (If it's*not* automated, I think the change would never get off the ground even for HEAD, bec

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-27 Thread Jürgen Purtz
Yeah, I think we'd have to convert all the supported versions to make this palatable. If the conversion is sufficiently automated, that might not be a big lift. (If it's*not* automated, I think the change would never get off the ground even for HEAD, because the docs are too much of a moving ta

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 05:42:32PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 01:15:08PM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > >> OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great > >> pain. So I repeat my question, what are the benefits of making th

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-26 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian writes: > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 01:15:08PM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: >> OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great >> pain. So I repeat my question, what are the benefits of making this >> change? They better be very very substantial. > Would we b

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 01:15:08PM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > On 2022-Sep-05, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > > > - > > + > >    User-Defined Types > > OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great > pain. So I repeat my question, what are the benefits of making this > chan

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-06 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 05.09.22 11:50, Jürgen Purtz wrote: Therefore, we should consider to introduce another validator. During the migration phase, we have used **jing**. It's Java, it's fast, the error messages are very precise. But there are many others:https://relaxng.org/#validators. Should we possibly provid

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Jürgen Purtz
On 05.09.22 14:15, Guillaume Lelarge wrote: Le lun. 5 sept. 2022 à 13:14, Alvaro Herrera a écrit : On 2022-Sep-05, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > - > + >    User-Defined Types OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great pain.  So I repeat my q

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Guillaume Lelarge
Le lun. 5 sept. 2022 à 13:14, Alvaro Herrera a écrit : > On 2022-Sep-05, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > > > - > > + > >User-Defined Types > > OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great > pain. So I repeat my question, what are the benefits of making this > change? They

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2022-Sep-05, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > - > + >    User-Defined Types OK, these seem quite significant changes that are likely to cause great pain. So I repeat my question, what are the benefits of making this change? They better be very very substantial. -- Álvaro HerreraBreisgau, D

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Jürgen Purtz
On 05.09.22 11:59, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: Will the markup be similar enough to not carry a significant risk of introducing pain for backpatching doc patches? There are many changes. Most of them are systematically and others are individual, which is more painful. To give you an impression wh

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Daniel Gustafsson
> On 5 Sep 2022, at 11:50, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > > On 04.09.22 17:39, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> What changes? >> I doubt we'll want to adopt a new version immediately after release, >> since we want to stay compatible with older systems. > > The migration isn't a matter of days. It's a huge step

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-05 Thread Jürgen Purtz
On 04.09.22 17:39, Alvaro Herrera wrote: What changes? I doubt we'll want to adopt a new version immediately after release, since we want to stay compatible with older systems. The migration isn't a matter of days. It's a huge step because nearly all files are touched and we have to act carefu

Re: DocBook 5.2

2022-09-04 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2022-Sep-04, Jürgen Purtz wrote: > DocBook 5.2 is around the corner [1], we use DocBook 4.5 which is 'feature > frozen' since 2006, and there are even ideas for DocBook 6.x [2]. What changes? I doubt we'll want to adopt a new version immediately after release, since we want to stay compatible