Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> BTW who was the EXPERT that slammed java performance? > > No clue, but java sucks on the desktop :) > No it doesn't (unless you mean when tilting your coffee mug. Hmm, no, then you would need something that actually sucks java). Regards, Thomas Hallgren ---

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Jim Wilson
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Caduto > > One example is LimeWire, while it works well, it takes forever to load and Six seconds on mine. Best regards, Jim Wilson -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 ---(end of broad

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tom Lane
Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You need to read more anti-government rants. I know I ran accross "sheeple" > at least several years ago. And since it pronounces nicely and the notion > of people acting like sheep goes back a long way, I expect that term does > as well. Google is you

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 16:29:05 -0400, John DeSoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But mainly I just want to thank the other posters for "junior sales > sheeple from MS" and "I don't particularly like MacOSX. It seems > entirely too Charlie and the Chocolate factory for me." Almost spewed >

Re: [GENERAL] call function with different select statement

2006-05-12 Thread John DeSoi
What is the return type of your function? To me it looks CSNTExtractUserClearTextPw2 has something like "RETURNS custom_type" whereas CSNTExtractUserClearTextPw has "RETURNS SETOF custom_type". If you need rows (even if just 1 row), use "SETOF". On May 10, 2006, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Glade WxDesigner QT (I forget the name of their forms product) Oh and if we are sadistic: Kylix. I hate to say it but none of the above mentioned are in the same class as Delphi except for Kylix. Kylix is a bear to deploy but it is still the best IDE of all the ones you mentioned above, and

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Erik Jones
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John DeSoi Sent: 12 May 2006 21:29 To: pgsql general Cc: Scott Marlowe; Joshua D. Drake Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface But mainly I just want to thank the other posters for "j

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Harald Armin Massa
Okay, so I voted and I see Linux leads the pack 16 of 29.  I return afew moments later and Linux leads the pack 13 to 24.  What gives?? Didn't you read about some part of the websites working on MySQL? Why are you then surprised?tongue-in-cheek,Harald-- GHUM Harald Massapersuadere et programmare Ha

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John DeSoi > Sent: 12 May 2006 21:29 > To: pgsql general > Cc: Scott Marlowe; Joshua D. Drake > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > But mainly I just want to thank the other posters for "junior

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 21:24 > To: Dave Page; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Dave calm downtake a chill pill... > who said anything about pgAdmin III? Jim was referring to >

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey > Sent: 12 May 2006 22:18 > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Dave Page wrote: > > > http://www.postgresql.org/community/ > > Okay, so I voted an

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Geoffrey
Dave Page wrote: http://www.postgresql.org/community/ Okay, so I voted and I see Linux leads the pack 16 of 29. I return a few moments later and Linux leads the pack 13 to 24. What gives?? -- Until later, Geoffrey Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tony Caduto wrote: Dan Armbrust wrote: You live in an interesting world... meanwhile, I'm here in the real world, using Eclipse - the best IDE I've ever used to develop java applications. Good for you :-) Keep on thinking that Eclipse is nice, but after using both (eclipse and netbeans) I

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Dan Armbrust wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Oh, and to get back on topic a bit more - DBVisualizer is also a nice database GUI (written in Java, by the way) that is very fast, responsive, and cross platform. http://www.minq.se/products/dbvis/ All due respect but I am runni

Re: [GENERAL] Google Summer of Code: Full Disjunctions

2006-05-12 Thread Tzahi Fadida
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:51 AM > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Google Summer of Code: Full Disjunctions > > > First, i have no knowledge of anyo

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 21:45 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Tony Caduto; Jim Wilson; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Although it certainly isn't fair or ethical if he negatively > impact

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Caduto Sent: 12 May 2006 20:41 To: Jim Wilson Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface Jim Wilson wrote: Those Windows developer tools must be workin

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dan Armbrust wrote: You live in an interesting world... meanwhile, I'm here in the real world, using Eclipse - the best IDE I've ever used to develop java applications. Good for you :-) Keep on thinking that Eclipse is nice, but after using both (eclipse and netbeans) I just liked net bea

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread John DeSoi
I have nothing to offer this highly entertaining thread except I'm firmly with the camp that thinks getting Unix/Linux developers on board is the best way to promote a PostgreSQL GUI for all platforms. Still hoping to do that someday soon. But mainly I just want to thank the other posters f

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dan Armbrust
Tony Caduto wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Those Windows developer tools must be working really well How right you are Jim, far superior and more productive than anything available on Linux at this time, though the netbeans IDE comes close, to bad Java is slow for almost all desktop application

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Page > Sent: 12 May 2006 21:07 > To: Tony Caduto; Jim Wilson > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL P

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Caduto Sent: 12 May 2006 20:41 To: Jim Wilson Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface Jim Wilson wrote: Those Windows developer tools must b

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Caduto > Sent: 12 May 2006 20:41 > To: Jim Wilson > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Jim Wilson wrote: > > > > Those Windows developer tools must be w

Re: [GENERAL] ident authentication with named localhost

2006-05-12 Thread Tom Lane
David Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks for your suggestion. I'm new to the concept of packet sniffing > and tracing. Can you suggest where I should go or what I should read to > better understand this? "man strace" ... strace is probably easier to use for this purpose than a packet sn

Re: [GENERAL] ident authentication with named localhost

2006-05-12 Thread David Link
Tom Lane wrote: David Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Does anyone know how I can test ident? I'd try sniffing the IP traffic to and from it with a packet sniffer and/or tracing the daemon's system calls with strace. Manually invoking the daemon isn't going to prove a lot, you want to

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Jim Wilson wrote: Those Windows developer tools must be working really well How right you are Jim, far superior and more productive than anything available on Linux at this time, though the netbeans IDE comes close, to bad Java is slow for almost all desktop applications. One example is L

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 17:17 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > > > > I'm sure I can arrange an official survey on > > http://www.postgresql.org/community/ > >

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z Those Windows developer tools must be working really well since you have the time to litter my inbox with all these trivial arguments. :-) BTW who was the EXPERT that slammed java performance? No clue, but java sucks on the desktop :) Best regards, Jim

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Erik Jones
Bruce Momjian wrote: I actually use a laptop running XP. I got it for the Win32 port, and because I use putty/ssh, Mozilla, and Gaim 99% of the time, it doesn't matter what OS I use. I could install a unix on it, but there seems to be no need because all my unix work is done on my server via ss

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
So pg_dump does not work well in 7.3.4, and I have to pg_dump or the global equivalent to upgrade to 7.4. A bit of a catch 22 in there. No, because you will use the 7.4 dump to dump and restore to 7.4 from the 7.3. For full disclosure I run a consulting company for PostgreSQL but there a

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Blair Lowe
On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:57 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Blair Lowe wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:51 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > user# pg_dump -n > tmp95.sql > pg_dump: invalid option -- n > Try 'pg_dump --help' for more information. > > phpbb only works with

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Tony Caduto > > Kenneth Downs wrote: > > > > > > I guess it depends on your definition of trivial. Linux represents > > 100% of the desktops at Secure Data Software. Therefore lightning > > will be deployed in the trivial percentage of zero. > > ---(end of broad

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread David Fetter
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:00:26PM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >I am not trying to be antagonistic here, but honestly curious as to > >how you are coming to your conclusions. I have been using > >PostgreSQL since before it was PostgreSQL and except for Internet > >Explorer/

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 11:39, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > I am regularly dealing with customers, and specifically developers that > > > are running Linux+PostgreSQL on the server... but their desktop of > > > choice is MacOSX. > > > > And to follow up on this, I just saw t

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Blair Lowe wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:51 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: user# pg_dump -n > tmp95.sql pg_dump: invalid option -- n Try 'pg_dump --help' for more information. phpbb only works with version 7.x. Oh... if you are running 7.3 your pretty much hosed... You need to upgrade to 7

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Blair Lowe
On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:51 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> user# pg_dump -n > tmp95.sql > >> pg_dump: invalid option -- n > >> Try 'pg_dump --help' for more information. > >> > >> phpbb only works with version 7.x. > > > Oh... if you are running 7.3 your pretty much hosed... You need to > u

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
user# pg_dump -n > tmp95.sql pg_dump: invalid option -- n Try 'pg_dump --help' for more information. phpbb only works with version 7.x. Oh... if you are running 7.3 your pretty much hosed... You need to upgrade to 7.4 at a minimum. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake TTYL, Blair. --

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Adrian Klaver
This option shows up in 7.4. On Friday 12 May 2006 10:16 am, Blair Lowe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:08 -0700, Adrian Klaver wrote: > > On Friday 12 May 2006 09:50 am, Blair Lowe wrote: > > See following- > > -n schema > > --schema=schema > > > > Dump the contents of schema only. If this o

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Uhmmm your market *IS* developers ;)... You don't actually think my mom needs your product do you? Joshua D. Drake Sorry, I meant Postgresql developers :-) I figured you would have figured that out since you where talking about Tom :-) -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwa

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
A.M. wrote: It would be great if by default postgres used NOTIFY after any schema changes. Then, listening UIs could be aware of changes behind the scenes without polling or manual refreshing. That sounds like a huge misuse of resources. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -M ---

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tony Caduto wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: I am regularly dealing with customers, and specifically developers that are running Linux+PostgreSQL on the server... but their desktop of choice is MacOSX. And to follow up on this, I just saw that Tom Lane, Buddha guru of PostgreSQL runs a Powerboo

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Blair Lowe
On Fri, 2006-12-05 at 10:08 -0700, Adrian Klaver wrote: > On Friday 12 May 2006 09:50 am, Blair Lowe wrote: > See following- > -n schema > --schema=schema > > Dump the contents of schema only. If this option is not specified, all > non-system schemas in the target database will be dumped. >

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Adrian Klaver
On Friday 12 May 2006 09:50 am, Blair Lowe wrote: See following- -n schema --schema=schema Dump the contents of schema only. If this option is not specified, all non-system schemas in the target database will be dumped. Note: In this mode, pg_dump makes no attempt to dump any other

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
I am getting my conclusions from the fact that Desktop Linux is just not popular yet, there are few if any commercial apps being written for it. Uhh... because they are not needed :) I run my entire business one Linux. My business is no different then any other small business. I need: A

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Thanks Joshua, According to the man page: -s --schema-only Dump only the schema (data definitions), no data. I need data too. What are the command line options to get a user's schema, and a user's data? You are confusing "The Schema" with "Schemas". It is a commo

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Joshua D. Drake wrote: I am regularly dealing with customers, and specifically developers that are running Linux+PostgreSQL on the server... but their desktop of choice is MacOSX. And to follow up on this, I just saw that Tom Lane, Buddha guru of PostgreSQL runs a Powerbook ;) hate to brea

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Joshua D. Drake wrote: I am not trying to be antagonistic here, but honestly curious as to how you are coming to your conclusions. I have been using PostgreSQL since before it was PostgreSQL and except for Internet Explorer/Web access I can tell you that most do not use Windows to manage Postgr

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 11:39, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I am regularly dealing with customers, and specifically developers that > > are running Linux+PostgreSQL on the server... but their desktop of > > choice is MacOSX. > > And to follow up on this, I just saw that Tom Lane, Buddha guru of > P

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread A.M.
It would be great if by default postgres used NOTIFY after any schema changes. Then, listening UIs could be aware of changes behind the scenes without polling or manual refreshing. -M ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your f

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Richard Broersma Jr
> I have been using it in windows to manage and manipulate a PostgreSQL > server running in Linux with limited of success. > > The application is EMS PostgreSQL Manager currently $135 directly from > their site > > http://www.pgsqlmanager.com/ Just to complete the list of commercial products.

Re: [GENERAL] pg_dump and grants to PUBLIC

2006-05-12 Thread Blair Lowe
On Thu, 2006-11-05 at 11:09 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > select relname from pg_class where oid = 17736; > > relname > > - > > bbs_auth_access > > (1 row) > > > > phpbb_mainlandpc=> \q > > > > To access this user's table, I can be logged on as anyone, and that is >

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Hogan, James F. Jr.
Not a sales pitch And it may have been offered earlier in this string But I have enjoyed the extra bells and whistles offered This application is not Open Source. I have been using it in windows to manage and manipulate a PostgreSQL server running in Linux with limited of success. The applica

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: Interesting - you've been complaining about the way the 'Enterprise Manager' part compares to pgAdmin up until now, not the Query Analyser. Out of interest, what is wrong with our Query Tool? We may well have resolved many of the issues - for example, 1.6 will have: I don't

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
I am regularly dealing with customers, and specifically developers that are running Linux+PostgreSQL on the server... but their desktop of choice is MacOSX. And to follow up on this, I just saw that Tom Lane, Buddha guru of PostgreSQL runs a Powerbook ;) I found it interesting because I

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
That's not exactly true :-) The market I am going after are those that run windows on the desktop and access Postgresql running on any server platform. I would still argue that the vast majority of people access their Postgresql servers from a Windows Desktop, not a Unix one. O.k., lets sa

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Tino Wildenhain wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Dave Page wrote: Only runs on Windows though doesn't it? Regards, Dave Hardly a limitation since Linux and other Unix based operating systems account for a trivial percent of the desktop market. I would guess that more regular peop

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Brendan Duddridge
A survey would be interesting. But I'm sure it would still point out that Windows is king as far as percentage goes. Linux and Mac would possibly be neck and neck, but I'm not sure about that. I'm just guessing. I know lots of Ruby on Rails developers use Macs, but I don't know how many of

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tony Caduto wrote: Dave Page wrote: I work in a professional environment in a country (the UK) where the cost of a 2Mb leased line could buy you a new laptop every month (a significant amount of money for a small company), and yes, I regularly use servers on the other side of the world where the

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 17:14 > To: Dave Page; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Dave Page wrote: > > I've used Enterprise Manager since before I started with pgAdmin II > > and I stil

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Caduto Sent: 12 May 2006 17:08 To: Joshua D. Drake; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface It would be interesting to see what the numbers really are, may

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote: > It would be interesting to see what the numbers really are, maybe > someone should put up a survey and put a link to it from the main > Postgresql site. I doubt you could lend any credence to the results, but there is a poll system o

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: I've used Enterprise Manager since before I started with pgAdmin II and I still curse it to this day. it's all what you are used to I guess :-) I don't like enterprise manager either, but most of the hardcore MS DBAs use the Query Analyzer program which is separate from t

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Tony Caduto wrote: > Dave Page wrote: >> Only runs on Windows though doesn't it? >> >> Regards, Dave >> >> > Hardly a limitation since Linux and other Unix based operating systems > account for a trivial percent of the desktop market. I would guess that > more regular people (NON FOSS developer

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Caduto > Sent: 12 May 2006 17:08 > To: Joshua D. Drake; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > It would be interesting to see what the numbers really are, > ma

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Well even more then that. The market that Tony is going after he *thinks* runs Windows, it doesn't. The majority of people out there that run PostgreSQL are running *nix. Yes, the majority of downloads we have received over the past two years is Windows. However that num

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
In this case, I'd be willing to bet that there are easily as many linux desktops accessing PostgreSQL servers as there are Windows desktops, and that the Mac comes in a distant third to either of them. [snip] I agree with everything you had to say Scott, but just FYI I think the Mac, distan

Re: [GENERAL] rules: evaluate inputs in advance

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:22:00PM +0200, Markus Schiltknecht wrote: > > There have been discussions about the problems > > Do you have some pointers here? I did not find relevant discussions in > the archives (of gmane.org) Hmm, maybe not so much discussions as comments from developers when the

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 16:51 > To: Dave Page; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Dave Page wrote: > > I work in a professional environment in a country (the UK) > where the > > cost o

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: query-per-click interface unusable. And I forgot to mention the remote users working from home via VPN over a domestic ADSL line with only 256Kb/s upstream at 50:1 contention. Regards, Dave ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: H

Re: [GENERAL] [PERFORM] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-12 Thread Tom Lane
Scott Ribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> My damn powerbook drive recently failed with very little warning > It seems to me that S.M.A.R.T. reporting is a crock of shit. I've had ATA > drives report everything OK while clearly in the final throes of death, just > minutes before total failure. FWI

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Dave Page wrote: I work in a professional environment in a country (the UK) where the cost of a 2Mb leased line could buy you a new laptop every month (a significant amount of money for a small company), and yes, I regularly use servers on the other side of the world where the round trip time etc

Re: [GENERAL] pl/pgsql question

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Rhys Stewart wrote: hi all, are there any function in pl/pgsql to call a shell script? or like is there a pl/bash? Actually scary enough, there is pl/bash. Google is your friend. You can also use: plpython, plperl, plphp, pljava etc... Joshua D. Drake Rhys Peace & Love | Live Long & Pr

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
And, seriously, are we still living at a time when connection speed should be considered a deciding design factor? Yes, some people still work off of slow connections, but the vast majority of us who work in a professional environment most definitely do not. I work in a professional enviro

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 09:39, Tony Caduto wrote: > Kenneth Downs wrote: > > > > > > I guess it depends on your definition of trivial. Linux represents > > 100% of the desktops at Secure Data Software. Therefore lightning > > will be deployed in the trivial percentage of zero. > > ---

Re: [GENERAL] [PERFORM] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-12 Thread Scott Ribe
> My damn powerbook drive recently failed with very little warning It seems to me that S.M.A.R.T. reporting is a crock of shit. I've had ATA drives report everything OK while clearly in the final throes of death, just minutes before total failure. -- Scott Ribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kille

Re: [GENERAL] pl/pgsql question

2006-05-12 Thread Michael Fuhr
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:54:23AM -0500, Rhys Stewart wrote: > are there any function in pl/pgsql to call a shell script? or like is > there a pl/bash? PL/sh might be what you're after; you could also use PL/Perl, etc. http://pgfoundry.org/projects/plsh/ What does the shell script do? Having t

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Kenneth Downs wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Dave Page wrote: Only runs on Windows though doesn't it? Regards, Dave Hardly a limitation since Linux and other Unix based operating systems account for a trivial percent of the desktop market. I guess it depends on your definition of trivia

Re: [GENERAL] pl/pgsql question

2006-05-12 Thread Terry Lee Tucker
On Friday 12 May 2006 10:54 am, "Rhys Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thus communicated: --> hi all, --> are there any function in pl/pgsql to call a shell script? or like is --> there a pl/bash? --> You can use Perl in "untrusted" mode as a backend function and accomplish something like that. ---

Re: [GENERAL] pl/pgsql question

2006-05-12 Thread Adrian Klaver
Two options I have run across. pl/sh http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/pgplsh/ ShellSQL http://www.edlsystems.com/shellsql/ On Friday 12 May 2006 07:54 am, Rhys Stewart wrote: > hi all, > are there any function in pl/pgsql to call a shell script? or like is > there a pl/bash? > > Rhys > > Pea

[GENERAL] pl/pgsql question

2006-05-12 Thread Rhys Stewart
hi all, are there any function in pl/pgsql to call a shell script? or like is there a pl/bash? Rhys Peace & Love | Live Long & Prosper ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/doc

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Page > Sent: 12 May 2006 15:46 > To: Erik Jones > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > I work in a professional environment in a country (the UK) > where

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Erik Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2006 15:09 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface > > Why not have it be an option as to how it loads table info? It's a fairly fundamental part of the

Re: [GENERAL] rules: evaluate inputs in advance

2006-05-12 Thread Richard Broersma Jr
> Well, triggers cannot be used to create writeable views, can they? The documentation says that triggers can be used on views but only for Inserts; not updates or deletes. http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/interactive/rules-triggers.html Regards, Richard ---(end of b

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Erik Jones
Dave Page wrote: Part of the problem is that pgAdmin III seems to preload object properties instead of pulling them in as you need them. I have noticed many times in pgAdmin III that when a function is edited and saved by someone else on a different workstation I can't see those changes until I

Re: [GENERAL] GUI Interface

2006-05-12 Thread Tony Caduto
Kenneth Downs wrote: I guess it depends on your definition of trivial. Linux represents 100% of the desktops at Secure Data Software. Therefore lightning will be deployed in the trivial percentage of zero. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don'

Re: [GENERAL] trigger TOASTing quicker?

2006-05-12 Thread Tom Lane
Martijn van Oosterhout writes: > I beleive you can set it to EXTERNAL, which it will always toast. I don't think that will help; if the overall row size is below the threshold, the code is not going to pick it apart to see if anything is saying "toast me anyway!". And it shouldn't do so IMHO; th

Re: [GENERAL] Connecting to PostgreSQL on Linux with windows

2006-05-12 Thread Tom Lane
"mmaclennan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, I have a linux box (Fedora 3) running the latest version of > PostgreSQL and PostGIS. I am trying connect to the database through a > windows computer but can't seem to make the connection work. I've > configured the pb_hba.config file in the usr direc

Re: [GENERAL] rules: evaluate inputs in advance

2006-05-12 Thread Markus Schiltknecht
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:57 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > It's a known problem. It's also one of the reasons why triggers are > recommended over rules. And it's not desirable behaviour. Well, triggers cannot be used to create writeable views, can they? > There have been discussions about

Re: [GENERAL] rules: evaluate inputs in advance

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 03:51:18PM +0200, Markus Schiltknecht wrote: > Hi, > > I was trying to create an updateable view. Suddenly I got foreign key > violations when using nextval('myseq'). > > As I understand, the rewriter does something similar to a simple text > replacement (I guess copying t

[GENERAL] rules: evaluate inputs in advance

2006-05-12 Thread Markus Schiltknecht
Hi, I was trying to create an updateable view. Suddenly I got foreign key violations when using nextval('myseq'). As I understand, the rewriter does something similar to a simple text replacement (I guess copying the plan tree nodes?) so that nextval gets evaluated again for every rule that appli

Re: [GENERAL] trigger TOASTing quicker?

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 11:15:16PM -0400, Perez wrote: > TOASTing is automatic? I don't have to code anything for it? Plain > vanilla SQL99 will work with it? I have terrible memories of Oracle's > LONG RAW columns TOAST is automatic, yes. It's also transparent (ie there's no functionalit

Re: [GENERAL] Triggers in C - Segmentation Fault

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 10:28:37AM +0100, Chris Coleman wrote: > Hi, > > I have written a couple of trigger functions in C that utilise the SPI > interface. They are both row level triggers, one a before trigger and > one an after trigger. > > If the triggers are called with an update statement

Re: [GENERAL] Creating of User and Database

2006-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 10:35:12AM +0800, APSC, Patrick Chee Seng Onn wrote: > Hi, > > I've just installed postgresql onto my system but unable to successfully > add new users and databases. I would receive a error message: > > createuser: could not connect to database template1: FATAL u

Re: [GENERAL] Creating of User and Database

2006-05-12 Thread chris smith
On 5/11/06, APSC, Patrick Chee Seng Onn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I've just installed postgresql onto my system but unable to successfully add new users and databases. I would receive a error message: createuser: could not connect to database template1: FATAL user "root" does n

Re: [GENERAL] Connecting to PostgreSQL on Linux with windows

2006-05-12 Thread chris smith
On 10 May 2006 07:46:01 -0700, mmaclennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I have a linux box (Fedora 3) running the latest version of PostgreSQL and PostGIS. I am trying connect to the database through a windows computer but can't seem to make the connection work. I've configured the pb_hba.config

[GENERAL] Triggers in C - Segmentation Fault

2006-05-12 Thread Chris Coleman
Hi, I have written a couple of trigger functions in C that utilise the SPI interface. They are both row level triggers, one a before trigger and one an after trigger. If the triggers are called with an update statement that only affects one row then both are excecuted correctly and without erro

[GENERAL] shp2pgsql and pgsql2shp

2006-05-12 Thread Nelson Guda
Hello, Has anyone thought of integrating shp2pgsql and pgsql2shp into pgAdmin? This would be an extremely helpful addition. I'm really happy that I've found pgsql and postgis, but getting geometry data in and out of pgsql is still a major hassle for me. Thanks, nelson -

[GENERAL] trigger TOASTing quicker?

2006-05-12 Thread Perez
Hi all, I'm in the planning stages of replacing a MySQL DB using ISAM tables with PostgreSQL 8.1.x on Suse 10.0. I think that sentence right there will tell you why! Anyway, one of the columns in one of the tables is a big chunk of XML (500 to 500KB). I'm not normally a fan of that kind of

[GENERAL] Concatenate WAL contents

2006-05-12 Thread Houssais Hugues
Hi, In order to unify many distant Postgres databases, we decided to use WAL archiving. The idea is to concatenate a distant WAL archive at the beginning of a local WAL archive before launching PITR restore. Does anyone know how to concatenate WAL contents, i.e. decode and encode WAL file

[GENERAL] Creating of User and Database

2006-05-12 Thread APSC, Patrick Chee Seng Onn
Hi, I've just installed postgresql onto my system but unable to successfully add new users and databases. I would receive a error message: createuser: could not connect to database template1: FATAL user "root" does not exist createdb: could not connect to database template1:

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