Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-29 Thread Mark Aufflick
To go slightly OT, I have the current displeasure of becomming acquainted with Sybase which has ideas about being flexible with standards (and sanity) much like MySQL. The first of the two intentional helpful features I have come across so far is that inserting (or updating) char/varchar columns

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-28 Thread Guy Fraser
On Sat, 2006-25-03 at 10:11 -0800, Chris Travers wrote: Leif Jensen wrote: Hello, I have with great interrest been following this thread. We have a (small) flame war in house about this and I'm very happy about all the arguments I have seen. I'm a long time user of PostgreSQL (which

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-27 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 16:00, Robert Treat wrote: mysql's various user permissions / connection tables are often seen as being more featurefull than postgresql pg_hba system, due to its closer likeness to using sql, potentially simpler syntax, and ability to use remote admin tools. That

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-27 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 17:08, Guy Fraser wrote: On Fri, 2006-24-03 at 14:53 -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: ...snip... Only my most recent personal experience, when I was explaining to the guy from MySQL how frustrating it was that installing MySQL broke my build of PHP and meant I had to use

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-27 Thread Chris Travers
Scott Marlowe wrote: On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 16:00, Robert Treat wrote: mysql's various user permissions / connection tables are often seen as being more featurefull than postgresql pg_hba system, due to its closer likeness to using sql, potentially simpler syntax, and ability to use remote

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-27 Thread Tom Lane
Chris Travers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of curiosity, how hard would it be to change the default maximum length on the name type in PostgreSQL? Change NAMEDATALEN in postgres_ext.h, recompile, re-initdb. I'm not sure why we still define it in postgres_ext.h, because it hasn't been part of

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-26 Thread Robert Treat
On Saturday 25 March 2006 08:30, Leif Jensen wrote: Hello, I have with great interrest been following this thread. We have a (small) flame war in house about this and I'm very happy about all the arguments I have seen. I'm a long time user of PostgreSQL (which possibly makes me a bit

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-25 Thread Leif Jensen
Hello, I have with great interrest been following this thread. We have a (small) flame war in house about this and I'm very happy about all the arguments I have seen. I'm a long time user of PostgreSQL (which possibly makes me a bit biased ;-) ) and I think it's great. I'm not a big

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 14:30:54 +0100, Leif Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I wonder that no one has mentioned anything about security issues in those two. I know that I'm a novice and that I didn't use MySql very much, but it seems to me that the PostgreSQL security is much better than

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-25 Thread Chris Travers
Leif Jensen wrote: Hello, I have with great interrest been following this thread. We have a (small) flame war in house about this and I'm very happy about all the arguments I have seen. I'm a long time user of PostgreSQL (which possibly makes me a bit biased ;-) ) and I think it's great.

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Gábor Farkas
Scott Marlowe wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:17, Jim Nasby wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Now, I shouldn't be able to insert anything in b that's not referencing an entry in a. and I used innodb tables. and I used ansi SQL, and I got no errors. So how come my

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:24:18PM -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:17, Jim Nasby wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Now, I shouldn't be able to insert anything in b that's not referencing an entry in a. and I used innodb tables. and I

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 02:51, Gábor Farkas wrote: Scott Marlowe wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:17, Jim Nasby wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Now, I shouldn't be able to insert anything in b that's not referencing an entry in a. and I used innodb tables. and

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:32:42AM -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=13301 from the response: Years ago, to help porting applications from other database brands to MySQL, MySQL was made to accept the syntax even though no real constraints were

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 13:55, Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:32:42AM -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=13301 from the response: Years ago, to help porting applications from other database brands to MySQL, MySQL was made to

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-24 Thread Guy Fraser
On Fri, 2006-24-03 at 14:53 -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: ...snip... Only my most recent personal experience, when I was explaining to the guy from MySQL how frustrating it was that installing MySQL broke my build of PHP and meant I had to use the mysqli libs, not the mysql ones. The answer

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Chris Browne
Jimbo1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not yet asked them, but will pop the question over the next week. ;o) Careful about popping the question... While good marriages have come from that, so also have been some bad ones :-). -- (reverse (concatenate 'string gro.gultn @ enworbbc))

RES: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Alejandro Michelin Salomon
- --De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Jimbo1 --Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de março de 2006 08:06 --Para: pgsql-general@postgresql.org --Assunto: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0 -- -- --Hello there, -- --I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Jimbo1
As I'm sure you've asked the same question of the MySQL folks, can you tell us what they've said about us? I guess it's not just idle curiosity (90% though), but it might give us some pointers about how to improve either our marketing, implementation or both. Not yet asked them, but will pop the

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread woodb
Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site architecture, and the database I'm going to need is

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Nasby
On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Now, I shouldn't be able to insert anything in b that's not referencing an entry in a. and I used innodb tables. and I used ansi SQL, and I got no errors. So how come my data's incoherent three seconds after creating the tables the way the

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:17, Jim Nasby wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Now, I shouldn't be able to insert anything in b that's not referencing an entry in a. and I used innodb tables. and I used ansi SQL, and I got no errors. So how come my data's incoherent

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Marlowe) writes: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=13301 And as Heikki Tuuri is no longer with them, I'll bet that doesn't get changed any time soon... -- let name=cbbrowne and tld=cbbrowne.com in String.concat @ [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/finances.html Rules

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-23 Thread Qingqing Zhou
Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote In postgresql, queries executed over the parameterized/prepared C api are particularly fast...as much as a 70% speed reduction over vanilla PQexec. Does it mean 70% time is spent on planning? I am a little bit interested in this number. Can you specify

[GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Jimbo1
Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site architecture, and the database I'm going to need is obviously

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Vivek Khera
On Mar 22, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Jimbo1 wrote: lab (who uses MySQL to manage their terabyte data warehouse) said, We chose MySQL over PostgreSQL primarily because it scales better and has embedded replication... The one size fits all style replication. What if it doesn't suit your needs?

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Tony Caduto
Jimbo1 wrote: With MySQL, customers across all industries are finding they can easily handle nearly every type of database workload, with performance and scalability outpacing every other open source rival. As Los Alamos lab (who uses MySQL to manage their terabyte data warehouse) said, We

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Berend Tober
Tony Caduto wrote: Jimbo1 wrote: With MySQL, customers across all industries are finding ... If any PostgreSQL devotees on this group can comment on the above and its accuracy/inaccuracy, I'd really appreciate it. That's exactly what it is propoganda, I can think of two really high

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site architecture, and the database I'm going to

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Jeffrey Melloy
Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site architecture, and the database I'm going to

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Benjamin Smith
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 03:06, Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Steve Crawford
...I can think of two really high profile Postgresql installs that have recently been discussed: 1. The Wisconsin Court System, search the archives for a recent post about this. 2. The entire .org and .info domains are stored in a Postgresql database. I am sure there are many more. Yup,

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joshua D. Drake) writes: Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Guy Fraser
On Wed, 2006-22-03 at 11:34 -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: On Wednesday 22 March 2006 03:06, Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 05:06, Jimbo1 wrote: Hello there, I'm a freelance Oracle Developer by trade (can almost hear the boos now ;o)), and am looking into developing my own Snowboarding-related website over the next few years. Anyway, I'm making some decisions now about the site

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Dann Corbit
I see a titanic advantage of PostgreSQL over MySQL: the license. http://www.postgresql.org/about/licence http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Would you like to use the database for commercial purposes? To my way of thinking, the Berkeley style license is the best

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Merlin Moncure
Chis Browne wrote: PostgreSQL is likely to be way slower if you submit streams of little queries, each an independent transaction... When I get around to it I plan on debunking this ;). I recently did extensive internal benchmarking of mysql 5.0 vs. postgresql 8.1 and it's victories across the

Re: [GENERAL] Advantages of PostgreSQL over MySQL 5.0

2006-03-22 Thread Russ Brown
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 16:36 -0500, Merlin Moncure wrote: Chis Browne wrote: PostgreSQL is likely to be way slower if you submit streams of little queries, each an independent transaction... When I get around to it I plan on debunking this ;). I recently did extensive internal