On 22.02.2007, at 16:03, Ted Byers wrote:
One of my problems with database development is how to construct
analogously strong test cases in order to prove the code correct.
With tests you can't prove that your code is correct. You can only
show that your code works with the test cases. Ther
>>>One of my problems with database development is how to construct
analogously strong test cases in order to prove the code correct. <<<
I have found the best method is to be as random as possible. I think
coders subconsciously only test with data they think will work so they
don't have worr
Mark> Similar issues with Mysql. It's faster,
But it doesn't matter *how* fast you get the *wrong* answer. :)
I thought one of the first rules of software engineering was "First make it
right and only then make it fast!"
Granted, most of my experience has more to do with number crunching an
> "Mark" == Mark Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mark> Similar issues with Mysql. It's faster,
But it doesn't matter *how* fast you get the *wrong* answer. :)
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You're probably right. A good example of that is the difference between
the excellent pgadmin and the desktop mysql administrator which is very
buggy and strangely laid out. Whenever I have to deal with mysql I get
the feeling I'm messing around with a bunch of hacks. It's very strange
to de
I wasn't referring to projects written in both languages. I was
referring to projects written primarily for MySQL or "real" databases
(i.e. oracle, pgsql, mssql, db2, and on and on). No matter what
language is used, I think you'll find that apps written primarily for
mysql have poorer code than t
Hmm, I've never heard of an application that's written in both php and
Java. However, I know of many applications that run on both mysql and
postgresql. For instance phpbb which is the most common MB software is
written in php and runs with either postgresql or mysql. Database
server indepen
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 12:17, Mark Walker wrote:
While I'll admit to some similarities between PHP/java and mysql/pgsql,
I'd say that th gulf between php and java is far less than the gulf is
between mysql and pgsql.
Take a list of a hundred or so db based projects written in each
language. Corre
At 02:16 AM 2/23/2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
We do not compete with MySQL.
Does MySQL have the mindshare of the ignorant? Yes.
Does MySQL have the mindhare of the knowledgeable? No.
Our mindshare is *huge* with the knowledgeable.
I will take mindshare with the knowledgeable over the ignorant,
I think a lot of the reasons people use LAMP is that inexpensive ISPs
use LAMP. The reasons ISPs use LAMP as opposed to other, in my opinion
more powerful tools has to do with the complexities of hosting large
numbers of user applications on single machines.
For instance, I don't know anybody
>> O.k. this is bizarre. One, this discussion belongs on -advocacy not
>> -general.
>>
>> Two, you do realize that we have huge mind share right?
>
> Huge? Nah. AFAIK, Oracle hasn't tried to buy up the major suppliers[1]
> of postgresql's "backend" tech yet.
Ahh, because they can't? Oracle can't
Lincoln Yeoh wrote:
> At 01:30 AM 2/23/2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> >Two, you do realize that we have huge mind share right?
>
> Huge? Nah. AFAIK, Oracle hasn't tried to buy up the major
> suppliers[1] of postgresql's "backend" tech yet.
>
> Link.
>
> [1] e.g. Tom Lane.
How do you know?
At 01:30 AM 2/23/2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> Answer for this is a bit complex, more newbies howtos, more people
>> saying that is better and so on
>
> Yeah. Would be good if we can figure out something that would help
> postgresql increase its usage or mind share.
O.k. this is bizarre.
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On 02/22/07 10:40, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> Well no. PHP is not a professional language because it has no really
>>> design - and that has nothing to do with the fact it beeing a scripting
>>> language. Its a bad scripting language. (Say namespaces f
>> Answer for this is a bit complex, more newbies howtos, more people
>> saying that is better and so on
>
> Yeah. Would be good if we can figure out something that would help
> postgresql increase its usage or mind share.
O.k. this is bizarre. One, this discussion belongs on -advocacy not
At 12:54 AM 2/23/2007, Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote:
PHP is easy and cheap to start, so there are lots of programmers
using it, and someone like you, or any other company, can take a
cheap programmer to do the work. Most of programmer use it with
mysql, now this is the question to answerwhy?
Ma
>> This whole discussion is about a language lawyer and a professional. The
>> reality is, professional programmers do use PHP. I would say probably
>> more than any other language out there.
>
> Yes, by the definition that they earn money by doing it.
>
>> Does that mean that PHP is a technical
>> P.S. I don't particularly like PHP either, but our company website is
>> coded in it because no other language (for the web) could have done the
>> job at the same TCO.
>>
>>
>
> PHP is easy and cheap to start, so there are lots of programmers using
> it, and someone like you, or any other com
Joshua D. Drake schrieb:
Well no. PHP is not a professional language because it has no really
design - and that has nothing to do with the fact it beeing a scripting
language. Its a bad scripting language. (Say namespaces for example,
confusing function interfaces, unicode flaws, missing usable f
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Well no. PHP is not a professional language because it has no really
design - and that has nothing to do with the fact it beeing a scripting
language. Its a bad scripting language. (Say namespaces for example,
confusing function interfaces, unicode flaws, missing usable fra
>> Well no. PHP is not a professional language because it has no really
>> design - and that has nothing to do with the fact it beeing a scripting
>> language. Its a bad scripting language. (Say namespaces for example,
>> confusing function interfaces, unicode flaws, missing usable frameworks,
>>
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
totally off topic,
Tim Tassonis schrieb:
Ron Johnson wrote:
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My definition is, "toy used/trumpeted by pseudo-professionals as a
professional tool, when it just doesn't measure up".
Boah, here surely speaks a true professio
totally off topic,
Tim Tassonis schrieb:
Ron Johnson wrote:
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My definition is, "toy used/trumpeted by pseudo-professionals as a
professional tool, when it just doesn't measure up".
Boah, here surely speaks a true professional playing in the leagu
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