Re: [HACKERS] broken 'SHOW TABLE'-like query works in 8, not 8.1.1

2005-12-30 Thread Sebastian
Any ideas for a temporary work around? On 12/29/05, Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many columns in the table? There are 4 columns in the table On 12/29/05, Michael Fuhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 12:12:52PM -0800, Sebastian wrote: I've waited 10 minutes

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 11:37 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My view would be that this thread has been complex because everybody has expressed a somewhat different requirement, which could be broken down as: 1. The need for a

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Online backup vs Continuous backup

2005-12-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 13:46 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: I suggest the following patch to rename our capability Continuous Backup. This doesn't seem like an improvement. Online backup is the standard terminology AFAIK.

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Simon Riggs said: Following Andrew's concerns, I'd also note that ALTER TABLE requires a much higher level of privilege to operate than does COPY. That sounds like it will make things more secure, but all it does is open up the administrative rights, since full ownership rights must be

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Riggs said: Following Andrew's concerns, I'd also note that ALTER TABLE requires a much higher level of privilege to operate than does COPY. That sounds like it will make things more secure, but all it does is open up the administrative rights,

Re: [HACKERS] Removing SORTFUNC_LT/REVLT

2005-12-30 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 10:49:23AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: What I'd really like is to deprecate the USING operator syntax in favor of a USING operatorclassname syntax. Actually, USING opclass [ASC/DESC] would get the job done, since given an opclass you can certainly run the sort function

Re: [HACKERS] Removing SORTFUNC_LT/REVLT

2005-12-30 Thread Tom Lane
Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org writes: On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 10:49:23AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: What I'd really like is to deprecate the USING operator syntax in favor of a USING operatorclassname syntax. Actually, USING opclass [ASC/DESC] would get the job done, since given an

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Simon Riggs wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 11:37 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My view would be that this thread has been complex because everybody has expressed a somewhat different requirement, which could be broken down as:

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Riggs said: Following Andrew's concerns, I'd also note that ALTER TABLE requires a much higher level of privilege to operate than does COPY. That sounds like it will make things more secure, but all it does is open up

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: My concern is more about making plain that this is for special operations, not normal operations. Or maybe I have misunderstood the purpose. Rephrase that as full ownership rights must be obtained to load data in a way that requires dropping any existing indexes

Re: [HACKERS] broken 'SHOW TABLE'-like query works in 8, not 8.1.1

2005-12-30 Thread Michael Fuhr
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:15:03AM -0500, Sebastian wrote: Any ideas for a temporary work around? You could try querying the system catalogs directly instead of using the information_schema views; look at the view definitions and run some \d commands under psql -E to see what kinds of queries to

[HACKERS] Permissions vs SERIAL columns

2005-12-30 Thread Magnus Hagander
Haven't seen this discussed in a while, but I do recall it being mentioned sometime before... The problem: testdb=# create table mytable (id serial, txt text); testdb=# grant insert on mytable to user2; GRANT testdb=# \connect testdb user2 You are now connected to database testdb as user user2.

Re: [HACKERS] broken 'SHOW TABLE'-like query works in 8, not 8.1.1

2005-12-30 Thread Tom Lane
Michael Fuhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, EXPLAIN fails in 8.1.1: test= EXPLAIN SELECT * FROM information_schema.element_types; ERROR: record type has not been registered I've applied a patch for this. It's just a bug in EXPLAIN output, however, and doesn't have anything directly to do

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 11:49 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Yes, I know we agreed to the COPY LOCK, but new features now being requested, so we have to re-evaluate where we are going with COPY LOCK to get a more consistent solution. Thank you. Ah, but people wanted fast INSERT INTO ... SELECT,

[HACKERS] Anonymous CVS having problems?

2005-12-30 Thread Michael Fuhr
It's been several hours since Tom's Repair EXPLAIN failure commit but anonymous CVS doesn't have it yet. That seems slower than usual; are there any problems? -- Michael Fuhr ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet,

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Simon Riggs wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 11:49 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Yes, I know we agreed to the COPY LOCK, but new features now being requested, so we have to re-evaluate where we are going with COPY LOCK to get a more consistent solution. Thank you. Good. I think we can be

Re: [HACKERS] Anonymous CVS having problems?

2005-12-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Michael Fuhr wrote: It's been several hours since Tom's Repair EXPLAIN failure commit but anonymous CVS doesn't have it yet. That seems slower than usual; are there any problems? cvsup is also unhappy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]# cvsup -g /home/cvsmirror/postgres.cvsup Cannot connect to

Re: [HACKERS] Anonymous CVS having problems?

2005-12-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Fixed On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Michael Fuhr wrote: It's been several hours since Tom's Repair EXPLAIN failure commit but anonymous CVS doesn't have it yet. That seems slower than usual; are there any problems? -- Michael Fuhr ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Removing SORTFUNC_LT/REVLT

2005-12-30 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 10:18:48AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I really need to study your mail from the other day, but unfortunately other pressures will probably keep me from getting to it today :-(. One comment though --- it's not really sane to include ASC/DESC in there is it? I thought the

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Greg Stark
As far as EXCLUSIVE or COPY LOCK goes, I think this would be useful functionality but perhaps there doesn't have to be any proprietary user interface to it at all. Why not just check if the conditions are already present to allow the optimization and if so go ahead. That is, if the current

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Stark wrote: As far as EXCLUSIVE or COPY LOCK goes, I think this would be useful functionality but perhaps there doesn't have to be any proprietary user interface to it at all. Why not just check if the conditions are already present to allow the optimization and if so go ahead. That

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:14 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: This was discussed on-list by 2 core team members, a committer and myself, but I see no requirements change here. You even accepted the invisible COPY optimization in your last post - why unpick that now? Please forgive my tone, but

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Simon Riggs wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:14 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: This was discussed on-list by 2 core team members, a committer and myself, but I see no requirements change here. You even accepted the invisible COPY optimization in your last post - why unpick that now?

Re: [HACKERS] broken 'SHOW TABLE'-like query works in 8, not 8.1.1

2005-12-30 Thread Michael Fuhr
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:02:20AM -0700, Michael Fuhr wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:15:03AM -0500, Sebastian wrote: Any ideas for a temporary work around? You could try querying the system catalogs directly instead of using the information_schema views; You could also set

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Greg Stark
Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: BEGIN; LOCK TABLE foo; COPY foo from ... COMMIT; There could be a COPY LOCK option to obtain a lock, but it would be purely for user convenience so they don't have to bother with BEGIN and COMMIt. The only downside is a check to

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2005-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Stark wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: BEGIN; LOCK TABLE foo; COPY foo from ... COMMIT; There could be a COPY LOCK option to obtain a lock, but it would be purely for user convenience so they don't have to bother with BEGIN and COMMIt.

Re: [HACKERS] broken 'SHOW TABLE'-like query works in 8, not 8.1.1

2005-12-30 Thread Sebastian
Changing enable_nestloop works great -- I'll use it for now. Thanks all On 12/30/05, Michael Fuhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:02:20AM -0700, Michael Fuhr wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:15:03AM -0500, Sebastian wrote: Any ideas for a temporary work around? You

Re: [HACKERS] EINTR error in SunOS

2005-12-30 Thread Qingqing Zhou
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Tom Lane wrote: I've heard of this in connection with NFS ... is your DB on an NFS filesystem by any chance? I have patched IO routines in backend/storage that POSIX says EINTR is possible except unlink(). Though POSIX says EINTR is not possible, during many

Re: [HACKERS] Removing SORTFUNC_LT/REVLT

2005-12-30 Thread Greg Stark
Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org writes: Yet hashing is also a property of the collation, not the type. The same string in different locales would hash differently. I think this is a mistake -- the same mistake that got us into trouble with Turkish. Hashing depends on the concept of

Re: [HACKERS] EINTR error in SunOS

2005-12-30 Thread Greg Stark
Qingqing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Tom Lane wrote: I've heard of this in connection with NFS ... is your DB on an NFS filesystem by any chance? I have patched IO routines in backend/storage that POSIX says EINTR is possible except unlink(). Though POSIX says

[HACKERS] pgAdmin translation to italian language

2005-12-30 Thread Michele Pigozzo
I'd like to contribute to localize the application to italian language. Do you want my help?? I wait your reply. Michele ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org