Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-04-03 Thread Luke Lonergan
Josh, On 3/31/07 11:01 AM, "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The PostgreSQL project should not give any credence to these > announcements and should avoid all patent issues possible. I think that's appropriate - the structure of the OIN looks like it's: 1) focused on Linux 2) design

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-04-03 Thread Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
what can't be purchased and silenced, should be killed with rain of law suits. Microsoft does it, novell does it, sco does it, and oracle too. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-04-02 Thread Josh Berkus
All, > You can be as selective as you want about enforcing patents --- > copyright/trademark enforcement does require consistent enforcement. I'm not sure that's the case, actually. Of course, I'm not an attorney ... but then, neither are you. What is it about -hackers that people love to spec

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-04-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Jeroen T. Vermeulen wrote: > On Sun, April 1, 2007 01:32, Tom Lane wrote: > > > The idea of OIN is to have a large patent pool that can be > > counter-asserted against anyone who doesn't want to play nice. > > Mutual assured destruction in the patent sphere, if you will. > > And from the particip

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-04-01 Thread Jeroen T. Vermeulen
On Sun, April 1, 2007 01:32, Tom Lane wrote: > The idea of OIN is to have a large patent pool that can be > counter-asserted against anyone who doesn't want to play nice. > Mutual assured destruction in the patent sphere, if you will. And from the participants' point of view, I suppose the big at

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Luke Lonergan
ssage- From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Alvaro Herrera Cc: Luke Lonergan; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents Alvaro Herrera &l

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would be worried if I were you (or Joshua Drake for that matter): does > the agreement apply to commercial companies deriving products from > PostgreSQL as well? Interesting point. It's doubtless unwise to take this press release as being an accurate

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Tom Lane
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If Oracle truly (or IBM etc..) really was interested in "Protecting > Linux" or other FOSS software, they would put the patent in the public > domain. No, you miss the point of OIN. Doing the above might make FOSS developers free from the particul

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Luke Lonergan wrote: Bruce, This is big news - has anyone checked to see if the agreement for the OIN is in perpetuity? Or is their agreement to not pursue patents only for as long as they are members? I would be worried if I were you (or Joshua Drake for that matter):

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Luke Lonergan wrote: > Bruce, > > This is big news - has anyone checked to see if the agreement for the OIN is > in perpetuity? Or is their agreement to not pursue patents only for as long > as they are members? I would be worried if I were you (or Joshua Drake for that matter): does the agreeme

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Luke Lonergan wrote: Bruce, This is big news - has anyone checked to see if the agreement for the OIN is in perpetuity? Or is their agreement to not pursue patents only for as long as they are members? I'm sure they would be estopped from enforcing a patent against

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Luke Lonergan wrote: Bruce, This is big news - has anyone checked to see if the agreement for the OIN is in perpetuity? Or is their agreement to not pursue patents only for as long as they are members? I'm sure they would be estopped from enforcing a patent against someone who relied on th

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-31 Thread Luke Lonergan
Bruce, This is big news - has anyone checked to see if the agreement for the OIN is in perpetuity? Or is their agreement to not pursue patents only for as long as they are members? - Luke On 3/30/07 10:43 AM, "Bruce Momjian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a surprising article about how

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-30 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, > Oracle, like IBM, Sony, RedHat, and Novell, is now a member of the Open > Invention Network, whose members all offer patent indemnification. Hey! We could go back to using ARC! ;-) -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco ---(end of broadcast)---

[HACKERS] Oracle indemnifies PostgreSQL on its patents

2007-03-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Here is a surprising article about how Oracle has made open source projects, like PostgreSQL, safe from claims of infringing Oracle patents: http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=A0F5F220-5940-470D-8564-CEA7E2D2B954. Oracle, like IBM, Sony, RedHat, and Novell, is now a member of