Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: [ There is text before PGP section. ] > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > We can't, because we can't revoke Berkeley's copyright. But in > > practice there's hardly any difference anyway. > > Just out of curiosity, are the docs covered by the B

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > We can't, because we can't revoke Berkeley's copyright. But in > practice there's hardly any difference anyway. Just out of curiosity, are the docs covered by the Berkeley copyright? I know the code originally came from there, but did our current

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > As the copyright owner, "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group," has > the right to license the documentation any way they see fit. The PGDG has never asked for copyright assignments from contributors (as I gather the PHP folks do), so the copyright to Postgres is co

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Mark Woodward wrote: > Then, what you are saying, is that anyone could come along and create > a paper trail calling themselves "The PostgreSQL Global Devlopment > Group," and claim ownership. No, the point is that we want to stick at least *some* copyright notice in the code, so people are advis

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Tom Lane
"Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In my mind the real reason we stick "Copyright PGDG" in the sources is >> just as a prophylactic against someone putting their own copyright on >> the files and then trying to prevent anyone else from using the code. >> Effectiveness of this measure re

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Mark Woodward
> "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Sorry, that's not true. At least in the USA, any entity that can be >> identified can own and control copyright. While it is true, however, >> that >> there can be ambiguity, an informal body, say "anarchists for stronger >> government," without char

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Tom Lane
"Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, that's not true. At least in the USA, any entity that can be > identified can own and control copyright. While it is true, however, that > there can be ambiguity, an informal body, say "anarchists for stronger > government," without charter or in

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Mark Woodward
> Mark Woodward wrote: >> As the copyright owner, "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group," >> has the right to license the documentation any way they see fit. For >> PHP to sub-license the documentation, it legally has to be transfered >> in writing. Verbal agreements are not valid. > > The Postg

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Mark Woodward wrote: > As the copyright owner, "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group," > has the right to license the documentation any way they see fit. For > PHP to sub-license the documentation, it legally has to be transfered > in writing. Verbal agreements are not valid. The PostgreSQL Glo

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Mark Woodward
> Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Mark Woodward wrote: >> > I would say that "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group" or its >> > representatives (I'm assuming Tom, Bruce, and/or Marc Fournier) just >> > has to give something written, that says Christopher Kings-Lynne of >> > "your address, city, count

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Mark Woodward wrote: > > I would say that "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group" or its > > representatives (I'm assuming Tom, Bruce, and/or Marc Fournier) just > > has to give something written, that says Christopher Kings-Lynne of > > "your address, city, country, etc

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Mark Woodward
> Mark Woodward wrote: >> I would say that "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group" or its >> representatives (I'm assuming Tom, Bruce, and/or Marc Fournier) just >> has to give something written, that says Christopher Kings-Lynne of >> "your address, city, country, etc" has the right to re-licen

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Mark Woodward wrote: > I would say that "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group" or its > representatives (I'm assuming Tom, Bruce, and/or Marc Fournier) just > has to give something written, that says Christopher Kings-Lynne of > "your address, city, country, etc" has the right to re-license or

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-16 Thread Mark Woodward
>>>Uh, but that's what the BSD license allows --- relicensing as any other >>>license, including commercial. >> >> The point remains that Chris, by himself, does not hold the copyright on >> the PG docs and therefore cannot assign it to anyone. >> >> ISTM the PHP guys are essentially saying that th

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Uh, but that's what the BSD license allows --- relicensing as any other license, including commercial. The point remains that Chris, by himself, does not hold the copyright on the PG docs and therefore cannot assign it to anyone. ISTM the PHP guys are essentially saying that they will only take stu

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian writes: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> Just because the licenses are compatible, doesn't necessarily mean you >> can safely sign over the copyrights for documentation that you don't hold. >> If PHP holds the copyright they can relicense the documentation later under >> a license that ma

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:34:14 -0500, > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Uh, but that's what the BSD license allows --- relicensing as any other > > license, including commercial. > > If that were true, than why not have the code public domain? Ismn't there > credit info

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:34:14 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Uh, but that's what the BSD license allows --- relicensing as any other > license, including commercial. If that were true, than why not have the code public domain? Ismn't there credit information that is supposed to be kept? -

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:08:48 -0500, > Mark Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm currently adding support for the v3 protocol in PHP pgsql extension. > > > I'm wondering if anyone minds if I lift documentation wholesale from > > > the PostgreSQL docs for the

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:08:48 -0500, Mark Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm currently adding support for the v3 protocol in PHP pgsql extension. > > I'm wondering if anyone minds if I lift documentation wholesale from > > the PostgreSQL docs for the PHP docs for these functions. F

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: I'm currently adding support for the v3 protocol in PHP pgsql extension. I'm wondering if anyone minds if I lift documentation wholesale from the PostgreSQL docs for the PHP docs for these functions. For instance, the fieldcodes allowed for PQ

Re: [HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-15 Thread Mark Woodward
> I'm currently adding support for the v3 protocol in PHP pgsql extension. > I'm wondering if anyone minds if I lift documentation wholesale from > the PostgreSQL docs for the PHP docs for these functions. For instance, > the fieldcodes allowed for PQresultErrorField, docs on > PQtransactionStat

[HACKERS] PHP stuff

2005-03-14 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
I'm currently adding support for the v3 protocol in PHP pgsql extension. I'm wondering if anyone minds if I lift documentation wholesale from the PostgreSQL docs for the PHP docs for these functions. For instance, the fieldcodes allowed for PQresultErrorField, docs on PQtransactionStatus, etc