Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:20:20PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: > Except note that ident is, like X, precisely the kind of protocol where the > handshake matters least. Since you all the relevant data comes early in the > message you can fire the SYN and the ACK (with the predicted sequence number)

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 02:12:03PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: > ISTM that if someone breaches your network to the point where they can > spoof identd, you're pretty much hosed anyway; so what's the point of > hard-coding passwords in a config file somewhere then? True. I personally prefer cryptograph

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Gregory Stark
"Andrew Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 07:07:40PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: >> > >> > It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to >> > spoof. >> >> Say what? It's actually quite easy to spoof TCP. There are even command-line >> tools to do

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 02:38:25PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Indeed, I would argue that, for industrial-class data centre use, if > you can't use ident between machines, your network security is in > very bad shape. (That isn't to say I think it's a good idea; but > rather, that I hope the n

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 07:07:40PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: > > > > It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to > > spoof. > > Say what? It's actually quite easy to spoof TCP. There are even command-line > tools to do it available in most Unix distributions. Sorry, I sho

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Gregory Stark
"Andrew Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: >> >> Is it easy to spoof where an incoming connection request is coming from? >> Is there something else that makes ident on 127.0.0.1/32 insecure? > > It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP,

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: > > Is it easy to spoof where an incoming connection request is coming from? > Is there something else that makes ident on 127.0.0.1/32 insecure? It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to spoof. If someone can origi

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > Decibel! wrote: > >Is there something insecure about using ident sameuser for localhost > >authentication on Windows? > > > > FWIW, I never advise people to use ident auth for postgres except on > local (a.k.a. Unix domain

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Decibel! wrote: Is there something insecure about using ident sameuser for localhost authentication on Windows? FWIW, I never advise people to use ident auth for postgres except on local (a.k.a. Unix domain socket) connections, which don't exist on Windows. cheers andrew -

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Dave Page
Decibel! wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:02:49AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: >> Decibel! wrote: >>> Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser >>> account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that >>> account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, b

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:02:49AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > Decibel! wrote: > > Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser > > account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that > > account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a ha

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Dave Page
Decibel! wrote: > Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser > account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that > account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a hard > requirement seems like overkill. Security out of the box. The

[HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-30 Thread Decibel!
Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a hard requirement seems like overkill. -- Decibel!, aka Jim Nasby