Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Try now, just raised it to the same as -patches (100k) ... - --On Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:59:18 +0300 Marko Kreen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/7/08, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-28 Thread Marko Kreen
On 5/7/08, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > By the way, what is the actual size limit on hackers vs patches. > > They do have different size limits; we'd have to raise the limit on > -hackers if we do this. Marc would know exactly what t

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-27 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: ... * no permanent archive of the submitted patch * reviewer won't know if the submitter changes the patch after he downloads a copy, and in fact nobody will ever know unless the submitter takes the time to compare the eventual commit to what he thinks the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread David Fetter
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:55:57AM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: > "Zdenek Kotala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Gregory Stark napsal(a): > >> "Josh Berkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >>> How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as > >>> Bruce suggested? I've never found

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Gregory Stark napsal(a): "Zdenek Kotala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gregory Stark napsal(a): "Josh Berkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. T

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Gregory Stark
"Zdenek Kotala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gregory Stark napsal(a): >> "Josh Berkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce >>> suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track >>> patches. >> >> The thi

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Gregory Stark napsal(a): "Josh Berkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The thing is that we don't just want to "track" patches. We want to talk

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-08 Thread Gregory Stark
"Josh Berkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce > suggested? > I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The thing is that we don't just want to "track" patches. We want to talk about patches. In m

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-08 Thread Josh Berkus
Matt, > Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I > think trying to split them up is awkward at best.  Do people really > still think that the potential for larger messages is really a problem?   Well, I for one would need to change my subscription address. This e-mai

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Gregory Stark wrote: > "Alex Hunsaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sure but if patch submitters are also sticking them in the wiki > > maybe this is a non issue? We could also adopt the seemingly > > standard [PATCH] subject tag so you can filter easily for > > patches... > > Hm, I wonder

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Posting to hackers and patches lists [OT]

2008-05-07 Thread steve layland
and thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.05.07 @ 16:23]: > Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:18:48 -0400 > From: Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is wonderful > > (http://bestpractical.com/rt/)... > > STOP! Sorry for biting... I just couldn't re

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Gregory Stark
"Alex Hunsaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sure but if patch submitters are also sticking them in the wiki maybe > this is a non issue? We could also adopt the seemingly standard > [PATCH] subject tag so you can filter easily for patches... Hm, I wonder how hard it would be to make a perl sc

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David Fetter wrote: > > > This would make it a little tougher on me as far as maintaining the > > > patches section of the PostgreSQL Weekly News, but I'll deal with it > > > if I need to :) > > >

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Fetter wrote: > > This would make it a little tougher on me as far as maintaining the > > patches section of the PostgreSQL Weekly News, but I'll deal with it > > if I need to :) > > Yes, it is going to make scoopi

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
David Fetter wrote: > On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > > "Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Patches are an integral part of the conversation about > > > development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. > > > Do people really still thin

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Gregory Stark
"Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I >> think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really >> still think that the potential for larger messages is real

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > "Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Patches are an integral part of the conversation about > > development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. > > Do people really still think that the potential for large

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane wrote: > Personally I'd be fine with abandoning -patches and just using -hackers. > We could try it for awhile, anyway, and go back if it seems worse. I'd be good with that. The split never made much sense for me. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
* Alex Hunsaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080507 11:38]: > A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion > taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion > and say "well, here is what I was thinking". Sending it to -patches > first waiting for it to hit th

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Matthew T. O'connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I'd go further than that. Patches ARE conversation about development, they are just in C rather than English. Having one list for the parts of t

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Tom Lane
"Matthew T. O'connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I > think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really > still think that the potential for larger messages is really a problem? Personally I'd be fine with

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Matthew T. O'connor
Alex Hunsaker wrote: A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion and say "well, here is what I was thinking". Sending it to -patches first waiting for it to hit the archive so I can link to it in my rep

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: > A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion > taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion > and say "well, here is what I was thinking". Sending it to -patches > first waiting for it to hit the archive so I can link to it in

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Hunsaker wrote: > > Plus it seems awkward to move a discussion thats taking place on > > -hackers over to patches... Granted I could post to patches first, > > wait an hour then send an email to hackers/reviewer and

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Stephen Frost wrote: * Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What?! Did you just propose a patch tracker? Bruce? Hmm. I think I need to get a new email client, because this one clearly corrupts the emails I receive ;) If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is won

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Matthew T. O'connor
Alex Hunsaker wrote: In fact I would argue -patches should go away so we dont have that split. +1I think the main argument for the split is to keep the "large" patch emails off the hackers list, but I don't think that limit is so high that it's a problem. People have to gzip their patche

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: > > Right, I was assuming once the patch was uploaded it would be to our > > infrastructure and would be permanent. > > Heck, I dont think patch submitters really care. And Ill do whatever > is in the dev faq. > But Its a heck of a lot easier (for me) just to send them in e

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen Frost
* Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What?! Did you just propose a patch tracker? Bruce? Hmm. I think I need > to get a new email client, because this one clearly corrupts the emails > I receive ;) If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is wonderful (http://bestpractical.

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Magnus Hagander wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches > > lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I > > think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, > > please post just the patch to patches and

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brendan Jurd wrote: > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where >

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches > lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I > think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, > please post just the patch to patches and a summary to hackers. > > Or b

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Brendan Jurd wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where > > > people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a > > > stab

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where > > people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a > > stable URL where they can keep upd

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where > > people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a > > stable URL where they can keep updating the content. I did that with > > the psql wrap pa

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where > people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a > stable URL where they can keep updating the content. I did that with > the psql wrap patch and it helped me. Act

[HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, please post just the patch to patches and a summary to hackers. Or better yet, have a URL to the patc