Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Simon Riggs wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 06:31 +, Simon Riggs wrote: I also notice that two performance features have disappeared from the release notes. (Presumably they have been removed from source). Both of them have changes that can be seen by users, so can't see why we would want

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Josh Berkus
Greg, Frankly I think the release notes are already too long. People who judge a release by counting the number of items in the release notes are not worth appeasing. Including every individual lock removed or code path optimized will only obscure the important points on which people should

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Nov 30, 2007 4:49 AM, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If people understand there aren't 13 performance improvements there are at *least* 19+ that is a positive message to help people decide to upgrade. Frankly I think the release notes are

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Simon Riggs wrote: - Heap-Only Tuples (HOT) accelerate space reuse for UPDATEs change to Heap-Only Tuples (HOT) improve performance of frequent UPDATEs I think we need to qualify this, or it could be quite misleading. perhaps add that don't affect indexed columns or something like

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 09:49 +, Gregory Stark wrote: Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If people understand there aren't 13 performance improvements there are at *least* 19+ that is a positive message to help people decide to upgrade. Frankly I think the release notes are

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Usama Dar
On 11/30/07, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If people understand there aren't 13 performance improvements there are at *least* 19+ that is a positive message to help people decide to upgrade. Frankly I think the release notes are already

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 06:31 +, Simon Riggs wrote: I also notice that two performance features have disappeared from the release notes. (Presumably they have been removed from source). Both of them have changes that can be seen by users, so can't see why we would want them removed. Wow,

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Gregory Stark
Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If people understand there aren't 13 performance improvements there are at *least* 19+ that is a positive message to help people decide to upgrade. Frankly I think the release notes are already too long. People who judge a release by counting the number

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Tom Lane
Usama Dar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i agree that release notes should not be too long, but may be there should be (if there isn't one already) something like a change log where people can find out all the changes done from the previous release, if they are intrested ? The CVS history (either

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Josh Berkus
Heikki, This might be worth mentioning, since it can be quite a big difference in the right circumstances, and it helps a bit with the scalability problem of the recovery. Should mention that it only helps with full_pages_writes=on. One more reason to not gamble with data integrity ;-).

Re: [HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-30 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I disagree. For people who want a quick summary of the major user-facing things changed we'll have multiple sources: (a) the announcement, (b) the press features list, (c) the Feature-Version matrix. The Release notes should have a *complete* list of

[HACKERS] Release Note Changes

2007-11-29 Thread Simon Riggs
Few proposals - Can we say smoothed rather than distributed checkpoints? Smoothed checkpoints greatly reduce checkpoint I/O spikes - Heap-Only Tuples (HOT) accelerate space reuse for UPDATEs change to Heap-Only Tuples (HOT) improve performance of frequent UPDATEs I also notice that two

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