Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-16 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le 12 août 08 à 18:41, Bruce Momjian a écrit : Are you proposing that we should introduce our own packaging system for such add-on components? Like CP(g)AN (which has been proposed before..)? Yes, pretty much. I imagine some kind of web

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-14 Thread Decibel!
On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:26 AM, Dave Page wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, ideally, if we do a plug-in system, I think we need some way to have these plugins be very easily installed, perhaps by choosing object files pre-compile by the build

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, ideally, if we do a plug-in system, I think we need some way to have these plugins be very easily installed, perhaps by choosing object files pre-compile by the build farm for each operating system. Hmm, that idea

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: So, ideally, if we do a plug-in system, I think we need some way to have these plugins be very easily installed, perhaps by choosing object files pre-compile by the build farm for each operating system. IIRC the main problem isn't compilation and packaging of plugins.

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Tuesday, 12. August 2008 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I feel the above comment about Firefox is the crux of the plugin issue. The difference is that Firefox is an interactive eye-candy system whereas PostgreSQL is a functionality-based server system. A PostgreSQL database system needs to have a

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Markus Wanner wrote: Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: So, ideally, if we do a plug-in system, I think we need some way to have these plugins be very easily installed, perhaps by choosing object files pre-compile by the build farm for each operating system. IIRC the main problem isn't

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Tuesday, 12. August 2008 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I feel the above comment about Firefox is the crux of the plugin issue. The difference is that Firefox is an interactive eye-candy system whereas PostgreSQL is a functionality-based server system. A PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: The bottom line is that for software to be successful we need a critical mass, and as long as we are doing OS-specific plugins we aren't going to reach that critical mass because the OS-specific aspect splits up demand. What about the pgxs toolchain? Doesn't that

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Markus Wanner wrote: Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: The bottom line is that for software to be successful we need a critical mass, and as long as we are doing OS-specific plugins we aren't going to reach that critical mass because the OS-specific aspect splits up demand. What about the

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Robert Haas
I can't speak for anyone else, but I much prefer packages that make use of my operating system's package management system rather than rolling their own. If I need a perl package that I can't get through yum, I build my own RPMs rather than installing through CPAN. I actually think that the

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Robert Haas wrote: I can't speak for anyone else, but I much prefer packages that make use of my operating system's package management system rather than rolling their own. If I need a perl package that I can't get through yum, I build my own RPMs rather than installing through CPAN. I

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Markus Wanner wrote: Hi, Robert Haas wrote: I can't speak for anyone else, but I much prefer packages that make use of my operating system's package management system rather than rolling their own. If I need a perl package that I can't get through yum, I build my own RPMs rather than

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: .. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. I realize many prefer their OS-native packaging system, but that isn't the target audience of a packaging system that will increase adoption. I'm just arguing that such a

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Markus Wanner wrote: Hi, Bruce Momjian wrote: .. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. I realize many prefer their OS-native packaging system, but that isn't the target audience of a packaging system that will

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Aug 12, 2008, at 13:16, Bruce Momjian wrote: .. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. And Perl's CPAN repository and installation module. Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Steve Atkins
On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Markus Wanner wrote: Hi, Robert Haas wrote: I can't speak for anyone else, but I much prefer packages that make use of my operating system's package management system rather than rolling their own. If I need a perl package that I can't get

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Webb Sprague
.. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. And Perl's CPAN repository and installation module. Don't forget the command line installation of packages for the R programming language. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Robert Haas
.. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. I think nearly all Firefox extensions are written in XML and Javascript. It's quite a bit easier to have an OS-agnostic way of installing packages when the packages are

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Aug 12, 2008, at 18:12, Robert Haas wrote: I realize many prefer their OS-native packaging system, but that isn't the target audience of a packaging system that will increase adoption. Really? Who is it? Those of us who don't use packaging systems. And, we are legion. Best, David

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Haas wrote: .. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. I think nearly all Firefox extensions are written in XML and Javascript. It's quite a bit easier to have an OS-agnostic way of installing packages when the

Re: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox

2008-08-12 Thread Dann Corbit
: [HACKERS] Plugin system like Firefox Robert Haas wrote: .. an OS-agnostic way of installing packages. Uh.. I don't think such a thing exists. Seems to in Firefox. I think nearly all Firefox extensions are written in XML and Javascript. It's quite a bit easier to have an OS-agnostic