Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Tim Hart
I have an slightly different perspective on this. I hope it will be a bit useful Background: I'm a senior developer for a consulting firm. I too have experience with DB/2, Oracle, Sybase, Adabase, and M$ SQL. In the last few years of work I've been moving from the technical side of things to be

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Hmmm... I think this is a common fallacy. It's like arguing that if windoze crashes and you lose important data then you have some sort of legal recourse against Microsoft. Ever read one of their EULAs? $10 says that Oracle's license grants them absolute immunity to any kind of damages claim.

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Christopher Kings-Lynne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 June 2002 08:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tim Hart Cc: Andrew Sullivan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation) Hmmm... I think this is a common

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Tim Hart
Could very well be. As I said, I'm not a lawyer. I do know that depending upon the laws in a region, EULAs can be proven to be legally invalid. I do personally find it hard to believe that Oracle could be legally immune from *all* damages claims. In practice proving fault could be very hard to

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Tim, If a catastrophic software failure results in a high percentage of lost revenue, a corporation might be able to seek monetary compensation from a commercial vendor. They could even be taken to court - depending upon licensing, product descriptions, promises made in product literature,

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Tim Hart
On Thursday, 27, 2002, at 10:07AM, Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or from a financial perspective: An enterprise MS SQL 2000 user can expect to pay, under Licensing 6.0, about $10,000 - $20,000 a year in licnesing fees -- *not including any support*. Just $2000-$5000 buys you a

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Is this sort of like Oracle guaranteeing its uncrackable, but as soon as someone comes to them to prove it is, Oracle's response is but DBA didn't enable the obscure security feature that can be found here, that is disabled by default? On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tim Hart wrote: Could very well be.