Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-10-12 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane writes: -m and -M The utility we designed and possibly any other that wants to process the output will find it easier to process a more regularly formed output instead of one that was embellished for human viewing. The reason for having one with and one without headings is that in

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-10-01 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ some questions about --help-config ] I got this reply from Fernando Nasser of Red Hat. I suggested he should post it for himself, but since he hasn't yet... regards, tom lane --- Forwarded Message Date:Tue, 30

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Andrew Dunstan writes: I have been wondering if moving to XML for config files might be a good idea - and if there are going to be GUIs that write them that gives some more impetus to the idea. What I would like to see done is keeping the GUC data, that is, the name, the properties, and the

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane writes: Gimme a break, guys. There *was* discussion, eg here, http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2003-06/msg01092.php and the patch was posted for review, see this thread: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2003-06/msg00420.php I confused this with the private

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Andrew Dunstan writes: I have been wondering if moving to XML for config files might be a good idea - and if there are going to be GUIs that write them that gives some more impetus to the idea. What I would like to see done is keeping the GUC data, that is, the

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-30 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ some fair points ] I've asked the Red Hat folks who did the detail design to respond to this. I'm not sure if they had specific use-cases in mind for those behaviors, or were just trying to make the feature useful for manual invocation. I would

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2003 01:28 To: Alvaro Herrera Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Hackers Subject: Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you put it that way :-) I'll leave it alone

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Dave Page writes: I find this a little worrying because if we want a feature or tweak for pgAdmin we usually have to fight tooth nail to justify getting it committed (which is not a bad thing), however 'some guys at Red Hat' are getting switches added to the postmaster without any

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Andreas Pflug
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Dave Page writes: I find this a little worrying because if we want a feature or tweak for pgAdmin we usually have to fight tooth nail to justify getting it committed (which is not a bad thing), however 'some guys at Red Hat' are getting switches added to the

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Page writes: I find this a little worrying because if we want a feature or tweak for pgAdmin we usually have to fight tooth nail to justify getting it committed (which is not a bad thing), however 'some guys at Red Hat' are getting switches

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2003 15:23 To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Dave Page; Alvaro Herrera; Hackers Subject: Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Page writes: I find

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
Should we allow SHOW ALL to show these variable descriptions? --- Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Page writes: I find this a little worrying because if we want a feature or tweak for

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
And maybe show the descriptions in pg_settings too? --- Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Page writes: I find this a little worrying because if we want a feature or tweak for pgAdmin we

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: The point was to allow a GUI utility to be built that would help in editing postgresql.conf. It couldn't assume the postmaster is already running, so just extending the pg_config view wouldn't answer, and duplicating knowledge of all the GUC variables in a separate tool would

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And maybe show the descriptions in pg_settings too? There was discussion of doing that, but it didn't get done in time (and it's too late now for 7.4 unless you want an initdb). I wouldn't mind putting it on TODO for 7.5. I think the SHOW ALL output

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joe Conway wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And maybe show the descriptions in pg_settings too? There was discussion of doing that, but it didn't get done in time (and it's too late now for 7.4 unless you want an initdb). I wouldn't mind putting it on

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Conway
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And maybe show the descriptions in pg_settings too? There was discussion of doing that, but it didn't get done in time (and it's too late now for 7.4 unless you want an initdb). I wouldn't mind putting it on TODO for 7.5. Bruce, you can put

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Alvaro Herrera writes: #: utils/misc/guc.c:647 msgid collect statistics about executing commands Is this really statistics about the executing commands? Looks like it. #: utils/misc/guc.c:892 msgid The number must be a positive integer. If 0 is specified then effort * log2(poolsize)

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-29 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been wondering if moving to XML for config files might be a good idea - and if there are going to be GUIs that write them that gives some more impetus to the idea. Or would it be overkill? Seems like overkill. What would it buy us, other

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-28 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 03:36:50PM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Now for something completely different: Oh, there's another thing about the --help-config option. This option includes an, er, option to display the items that belong to a given group. So you could say /tmp/pgsql-es/bin/postgres

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-28 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now for something completely different: The postmaster executable shows --help display perfectly localized. However I just noted that postgres --help output (the standalone backend) does not; is it not i18n'ed, or is some sort of missetup?

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-28 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Alvaro Herrera writes: Oh, there's another thing about the --help-config option. This option includes an, er, option to display the items that belong to a given group. So you could say /tmp/pgsql-es/bin/postgres --help-config -g 'Security' and the list of parameters that belong to a

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-28 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:27:01AM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Alvaro Herrera writes: [fixes for --help-config] I'm quite unhappy about the --help-config option. It was developed without discussion, it was installed hastily, we don't have any information about that interactive

Re: [HACKERS] more i18n/l10n issues

2003-09-28 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you put it that way :-) I'll leave it alone. I hope it can be enhanced in the next release. I'm not sure of it usefulness anyway; the documentation seems good enough. Some guys at Red Hat wanted it to support an admin tool that should see the light