Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Matthew T. O'Connor
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 13:01, Tom Lane wrote: > "Jon Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So it appears that linux at least is way above your 8 meg point, unless I > > am missing something. > > Yeah, AFAIK all recent Linuxen are well above the range of parameters > that I was suggesting (and ev

Re: Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Benchmarks)

2003-02-11 Thread Tom Lane
"Matthew T. O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... So we ship postgresql.conf with 32M of > shared memory and auto_shared_mem_reduction = true. With a comment that > the administrator might want to turn this off for production. This really doesn't address Justin's point about clueless benchm

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration

2003-02-11 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
> If I thought that pgbench was representative of anything, or even > capable of reliably producing repeatable numbers, then I might subscribe > to results derived this way. But I have little or no confidence in > pgbench. Certainly I don't see how you'd use it to produce > recommendations for a

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration

2003-02-11 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
It's interesting that people focus on shared_buffers. From my experience the most dominating parameter for performance is wal_sync_method. It sometimes makes ~20% performance difference. On the otherhand, shared_buffers does very little for performance. Moreover too many shared_buffers cause perfor

Re: [HACKERS] PGP signing release

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
I hate to poo-poo this, but this "web of trust" sounds more like a "web of confusion". I liked the idea of mentioning the MD5 in the email announcement. It doesn't require much extra work, and doesn't require a 'web of %$*&" to be set up to check things. Yea, it isn't as secure as going through

Re: [HACKERS] PGP signing release

2003-02-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I hate to poo-poo this, but this "web of trust" sounds more like a "web > of confusion". I liked the idea of mentioning the MD5 in the email > announcement. It doesn't require much extra work, and doesn't require a > 'web of %$*&" to be set up to che

Re: [HACKERS] Hash grouping, aggregates

2003-02-11 Thread Tom Lane
Hannu Krosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Relying on hash aggregation will become essential if we are ever going > to implement the "other" groupings (CUBE, ROLLUP, (), ...), so it would > be nice if hash aggregation could also overflow to disk I did not make this happen, but it sounds like Joe

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane writes: >> We could retarget to try to stay under SHMMAX=4M, which I think is >> the next boundary that's significant in terms of real-world platforms >> (isn't that the default SHMMAX on some BSDen?). That would allow us >> 350 or so shared_

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> >> We could retarget to try to stay under SHMMAX=4M, which I think is > >> the next boundary that's significant in terms of real-world platforms > >> (isn't that the default SHMMAX on some BSDen?). That would allow us > >> 350 or so shared_buffers, which is better, but still not really a > >> se

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> A separate line of investigation is "what is the lowest common > denominator nowadays?" I think we've established that SHMMAX=1M > is obsolete, but what replaces it as the next LCD? 4M seems to be > correct for some BSD flavors, and I can confirm that that's the > current default for Mac OS X -

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