Re: [HACKERS] psql questions: SQL, progname, copyright dates

2004-09-10 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
I think adding 'S' to \df confuses more than it helps. Why that? Imho it would be consistent. Andreas ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
Well, it's easily changed, if all that's needed is a search-and-replace. Suggestions for a better name? MINGW32 I think that is a bad idea. That symbol sure suggests, that you are using mingw. Are you expecting someone who creates a VisualStudio project to define MINGW32 ? Andreas

Re: [HACKERS] psql questions: SQL, progname, copyright dates

2004-09-10 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Robert Treat wrote: Ugh. If I want to see the syntax of my functions, I'd be forced to use the \df-+ syntax, and I'd argue people spend far more time wanting to see \df+ output on their own functions than they ever do on system functions. imho the argument against \dfS is pretty weak. Letters

[HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Grant Finnemore
Hi, I am using a version of PostgreSQL compiled from a CVS update of yesterday, and compiled with make clean all make install One client connection to the database doing routine and low volume population scripts (using schemas) After several normal runs of the population script, a run caused

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Bruce Momjian schrieb: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Reini Urban wrote: FYI: WIN32 is also defined because windows.h is included. (/usr/incluse/w32api/windef.h) If you want this or that, do proper nesting, and use #else. Ugh, yes. A little experimentation shows that __WIN32__ is defined for MinGW

Re: [HACKERS] psql questions: SQL, progname, copyright dates

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: I think adding 'S' to \df confuses more than it helps. Why that? Imho it would be consistent. I thought it was strange to have alphabetic modifiers but I seem to be the only one who is worried about it so forget my objection. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
OK, moved and comment documents its location. --- Reini Urban wrote: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Reini Urban wrote: FYI: WIN32 is also defined because windows.h is included.

Re: [HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Grant Finnemore
It's happened again, and in both cases seems to be on a call to VACUUM FULL Grant Finnemore wrote: Hi, I am using a version of PostgreSQL compiled from a CVS update of yesterday, and compiled with make clean all make install One client connection to the database doing routine and low volume

[HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN (was: APR 1.0 released)

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
[BTW: there's no need to cc all, I'm subscribed to most lists] Reini Urban schrieb: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Reini Urban wrote: FYI: WIN32 is also defined because windows.h is included. (/usr/incluse/w32api/windef.h) If you want this or that, do proper nesting, and use #else.

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Reini Urban wrote: Bruce Momjian schrieb: OK, care to submit a patch. As I remember the fix for rename/unlink also includes how the file is opened with flags. Anyway, we spent a lot of time on this so you will have to go back in the archvies to find it and determine how it can be

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Bruce Momjian schrieb: Reini Urban wrote: Bruce Momjian schrieb: OK, care to submit a patch. As I remember the fix for rename/unlink also includes how the file is opened with flags. Anyway, we spent a lot of time on this so you will have to go back in the archvies to find it and determine how it

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
Personally I don't think that any rename()-usleep loop is necessary. I'll check the archives. I agree the rename loop seems unnecessary. I kept it in case we hadn't dealt with all the failure places. Should we remove them now or wait for 8.1? Seems we should keep them in and see if we

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: I'm not sure exactly what Bruce checked, so I just spent a few cycles making sure that we did not inadvertantly pick up a define of WIN32 from windows.h anywhere else. I *think* we are OK on that. However, ISTM this is a foot just waiting to be

Re: [HACKERS] psql questions: SQL, progname, copyright dates

2004-09-10 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Treat wrote: Ugh. If I want to see the syntax of my functions, I'd be forced to use the \df-+ syntax, and I'd argue people spend far more time wanting to see \df+ output on their own functions than they ever do on system functions. +1. I suspect Tom's use is pretty atypical. If I

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Andrew Dunstan schrieb: Bruce Momjian wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: I'm not sure exactly what Bruce checked, so I just spent a few cycles making sure that we did not inadvertantly pick up a define of WIN32 from windows.h anywhere else. I *think* we are OK on that. However, ISTM this is a foot

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Reini Urban wrote: Andrew Dunstan schrieb: We had lots of Cygwin-specific defines in there already so Win32 just means both Mingw and Cygwin. You will see only a few cases where we want Mingw and not Cygwin, but in those case we often also want MSVC and Borland, so it really is WIN32 !

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: Personally I don't think that any rename()-usleep loop is necessary. I'll check the archives. I agree the rename loop seems unnecessary. I kept it in case we hadn't dealt with all the failure places. Should we remove them now or wait for 8.1?

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bottom line - this is something of a mess. If we can make sure Cygwin isn't broken, we can probably live with what have for now. Personally, I would have configure work out something cleaner, like, say, defining WINDOWS_ALL for both Windows native

Re: [HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Grant Finnemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TRAP: FailedAssertion(!(((ntp)-t_data)-t_infomask 0x0010), File: catcache.c, Line: 1728) This seems moderately impossible :-(. Did you get a core dump? If so please provide a stack backtrace. regards, tom lane

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bottom line - this is something of a mess. If we can make sure Cygwin isn't broken, we can probably live with what have for now. Personally, I would have configure work out something cleaner, like, say, defining WINDOWS_ALL for both

Re: [HACKERS] row wise comparison broken

2004-09-10 Thread Merlin Moncure
Yes, I found the following thread started by you in the pgsql-performance list: Subject: [PERFORM] best way to fetch next/prev record based on index Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:18:43 -0700 there were some concerns about backwards compatibility. IMO 8.0 is a good chance to fix it. Maybe

Re: [HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Grant Finnemore
I'm afraid that I did not get a core dump. Sorry. My normal configure includes both debug and cassert - is there anything else I should set to ensure core dumps are generated? Regards, Grant Tom Lane wrote: Grant Finnemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TRAP: FailedAssertion(!(((ntp)-t_data)-t_infomask

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: I agree that this is a good idea, partly because I do not care for the assumption that MINGW is the only compilation environment we'll ever support for the Windows-native port. I'm not in a position to work out or test the required changes, but I'll be happy to apply a

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
pgman wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: I think Bruce was mostly trying to make all the similar tests look alike. Also I agree that if a !b is clearer than if !b a; the latter requires a bit more thought to parse the extent of the ! operator... Right, just consistency.

Re: [HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Grant Finnemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm afraid that I did not get a core dump. Sorry. My normal configure includes both debug and cassert - is there anything else I should set to ensure core dumps are generated? Check ulimit -c in the postmaster's environment. Personally I always put

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
OK, change made. Thanks. --- Most of the ~300 cases are ok for CYGWIN. And probably for MINGW also. But I don't do MINGW countertests. I assume you do :) Just palloc misses some pending fixes for CYGWIN. cvs head

Re: [HACKERS] row wise comparison broken

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-performance/2004-07/msg00218.php Still, I think the current behavior is wrong...and is exactly the kind of trick question that a sql compliance benchmark might ask. It undoubtedly is wrong. But it has been wrong

Re: [HACKERS] Failed assertion, CVS head

2004-09-10 Thread Grant Finnemore
Ok, will do. Thanks. Tom Lane wrote: Grant Finnemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm afraid that I did not get a core dump. Sorry. My normal configure includes both debug and cassert - is there anything else I should set to ensure core dumps are generated? Check ulimit -c in the postmaster's

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: OK, I am wrong above. Coding assumes WIN32 is only for port named WIN32, which is mingw, and for BCC and VCC. I was not aware Cygwin defined it at all. Are we sure it does in a header file? The problem is that some pieces of Cygwin code include windows.h, which it

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: OK, I am wrong above. Coding assumes WIN32 is only for port named WIN32, which is mingw, and for BCC and VCC. I was not aware Cygwin defined it at all. Are we sure it does in a header file? The problem is that some pieces of Cygwin code

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off

Re: [HACKERS] Making AFTER triggers act properly in PL functions

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Tom Lane wrote: It wouldn't quite work to use just transaction ID as the marker, since the inner SET CONSTRAINTS is very possibly done without using a subtransaction. But command ID or query nesting level or some such would work. I

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in Mingw. Does Cygwin need it? -- Bruce Momjian|

[HACKERS] Update on Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Murat Kantarcioglu
Thanks for the comments. This piece will be a part of a bigger design and the problems mentioned are very real. In the future, our goal is to design a database system where the processing is done in a secure coprocessor(i.e no one will be able to see what is inside) and the small code inside the

Re: [HACKERS] Update on Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 11:52:26AM -0500, Murat Kantarcioglu wrote: Can you suggest me a solution to how to do this on Postgresql backend? I am asssuming that somewhere in the code, you are calling a function like getPage(Page_id) to retrieve the page(I am trying to change backend)

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Reini Urban schrieb: [BTW: there's no need to cc all, I'm subscribed to most lists] Reini Urban schrieb: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Reini Urban wrote: FYI: WIN32 is also defined because windows.h is included. (/usr/incluse/w32api/windef.h) If you want this or that, do proper

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
I have applied all parts of your patch now. --- Reini Urban wrote: Reini Urban schrieb: [BTW: there's no need to cc all, I'm subscribed to most lists] Reini Urban schrieb: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Andrew Dunstan

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Bruce Momjian schrieb: I have applied all parts of your patch now. Thanks. Core builds and works fine now. (plperl IPC problems aside) But there's are still some more minor SHLIB glitches, which only affects contrib, because -lpgport is missing for various dll's. SHLIB_LINK doesn't contain the

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Reini Urban
Bruce Momjian schrieb: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in Mingw. Does Cygwin need it? Not really, but it will be lot of new work,

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Reini Urban wrote: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in Mingw. Does Cygwin need it? Not really, but it will

Re: [HACKERS] Making AFTER triggers act properly in PL functions

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Tom Lane wrote: Yeah, I had come to the same conclusion after more thought. But we could certainly aggregate all the similar events generated by a single query into a common status structure. Definately. The ~20 byte/row gain for

Re: [HACKERS] Update on Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Murat Kantarcioglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This piece will be a part of a bigger design and the problems mentioned are very real. In the future, our goal is to design a database system where the processing is done in a secure coprocessor(i.e no one will be able to see what is inside) and

Re: [HACKERS] Update on Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Murat Kantarcioglu
Our basic claim is to be able to do most of the encryption while we are reading the page. That is the reason I need the threads. Any suggestion about the threads are welcome. Thanks. Murat Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at

Re: [HACKERS] Update on Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Murat Kantarcioglu
It is really hard to describe all the project in few e-mails. Obviously, we will not try to run entire database software in that secure hardware. Also memory limitations are not important. For example, please check the research on oblivious RAM to see even small memory on such hardware can be

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Reini Urban wrote: Bruce Momjian schrieb: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Well, glad we are on to real Cygwin issues at least. I know I had probably broken Cygwin with all the Win32 changes. I actually thought it would be worse. Glad you were able to help us. On the /contrib issue, I am not sure we even have Mingw compiling contrib. What error are you seeing? If I

Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the /contrib issue, I am not sure we even have Mingw compiling contrib. We don't --- apparently the win32 crowd hadn't bothered to try it until recently. There are a couple of patches in the queue that claim to make individual modules work, but I dunno

Re: [HACKERS] SELECT FOR UPDATE NOWAIT and PostgreSQL 8.0

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: [ PGP not available, raw data follows ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, AFAIR there was a thread about SELECT FOR UPDATE NOWAIT availability in {7.5,8.0}, 7-8 months ago. Now we have LOCK TABLE ... NOWAIT; but I wonder whether we'll have the

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: On the /contrib issue, I am not sure we even have Mingw compiling contrib. What error are you seeing? If I try to compile /contrib/dbsize under Unix I don't see any -lpgport line in the compile: It doesn't need any. It's loaded in the backend, which already has

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in Mingw. That has nothing to do with my point. Does Cygwin need

Re: [HACKERS] tablespace question ... pg vs oracle

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: I have someone that is asking if you can recover some tablespaces in a database, but leave the others online ... apparently its a feature of tablespaces under Oracle ... I could see it for schemas, but sounds like it could cause problems depeending on how you are

Re: [HACKERS] x86_64 configure problem

2004-09-10 Thread Joe Conway
Gaetano Mendola wrote: Joe Conway wrote: # python -c from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib as f; import os; print os.path.join(f(plat_specific=1,standard_lib=1),'config') /usr/lib64/python2.3/config Any other proposals? If not, any objections to the attached patch? No one, we have to

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: There are alot of windows.h includes: ... and most of them are redundant because it is already included via c.h. Right, but we only include windows.h in Mingw. That has nothing to do

Re: [HACKERS] more dirmod CYGWIN

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: On the /contrib issue, I am not sure we even have Mingw compiling contrib. What error are you seeing? If I try to compile /contrib/dbsize under Unix I don't see any -lpgport line in the compile: It doesn't need any. It's loaded in the

[HACKERS] Caught up on email

2004-09-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
OK, I am caught up on email now after five days of travel. I have loaded the patch queue for others to empty. Two weeks to go. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13

Re: [HACKERS] Developers page is down

2004-09-10 Thread Christopher Browne
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jaime Casanova) would write: By the way, will be a way in postgresql 8 to add a column in a middle of a table. just curious. What do you mean by in a middle of a table? A relation is simply a set of attributes that _don't_ forcibly

Re: [HACKERS] AIX and v8 beta1

2004-09-10 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Taylor) writes: On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 13:43, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: collect2: ld returned 254 exit status That's a fairly unhelpful error message, isn't it? I'm thinking that this may be due to having added the timezone library to the

[HACKERS] Adding columns in the middle (Was: Developers page is down)

2004-09-10 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Sep 4, 2004, at 10:07 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jaime Casanova) would write: By the way, will be a way in postgresql 8 to add a column in a middle of a table. just curious. What do you mean by in a middle of a table? A relation is

[HACKERS] Help with check_pqsql PLUGIN!

2004-09-10 Thread .
Hello, Hackers! I use Nagios monitoring system. Can you help, please? I want to compile plugin for Nagios named check_pqsql. Which libraries I need to compile it successful? Thank you.

Re: [HACKERS] Indexed views?

2004-09-10 Thread Mischa Sandberg
Greg Stark wrote: Doug McNaught [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Short answer: MVCC tuple visibility status isn't (and can't be) stored in the index. Well the can't part is false or at least unproven. From prior discussion the only thing that would be technically challenging would be avoiding

Re: [HACKERS] Making AFTER triggers act properly in PL functions

2004-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
I wrote: Actually, I'd really like to get it back down to the 7.4 size, which was already too big :-(. That might be a vain hope though. As long as we're talking about hack-slash-and-burn on this data structure ... The cases where people get annoyed by the size of the deferred trigger list

[HACKERS] Plannings on Implementation of DECLARE CURSOR x for SELECT ... FOR UPDATE / UPDATE ... WHERE CURRENT OF ...

2004-09-10 Thread Hans Groschwitz
Hi, are you planning to implement WRITABLE cursors in one of the next releases of pgsql? If so, do you have some kind of roadmap about that? We are currently looking for a replacement rdbms for an informix based application with a duty of over 100 concurrent interactive user sessions. Therefore

Re: [HACKERS] Making AFTER triggers act properly in PL functions

2004-09-10 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Tom Lane wrote: I wrote: Actually, I'd really like to get it back down to the 7.4 size, which was already too big :-(. That might be a vain hope though. As long as we're talking about hack-slash-and-burn on this data structure ... The cases where people get annoyed

Re: [HACKERS] Supporting Encryption in Postgresql

2004-09-10 Thread Christopher Browne
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Murat Kantarcioglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] would write: For our research project, I need to implement an encryption support for Postgressql. At this current phase, I need to at least support page level encryption In other words, each page that belongs to a

Re: [HACKERS] APR 1.0 released

2004-09-10 Thread Christopher Browne
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc G. Fournier) would write: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Hi all, now that Apache Portable Runtime was release why don't use it on Postgres? Short question: why? what does it give us, other then potential reliance

[HACKERS] Error starting PostgreSQL on Win XP: failed to get token information: 122

2004-09-10 Thread Grossniklaus Bruno
Hi Thanks for PostgreSQL Beta 8.0! I try to use the native Win32 build (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller) (Beta 1) but i get an error during DB startup. failed to get token information: 122 Maybe this is related to

[HACKERS] beta2 and blob's

2004-09-10 Thread Daniel Schuchardt
Hi with beta2 i get leak:relation pg_largeobject_loid_pn_index has refcnt 1 instead of 0 while running my script that's an example throwing this message UPDATE reports SET r_blob=lo_import('../reports.r_id.'|| CAST(r_id AS VARCHAR) || '.blob') WHERE r_blob IS NOT NULL PS : everything seem to be

[HACKERS] beta 2 crash with unique constraints

2004-09-10 Thread Daniel Schuchardt
Hi List, I have another error now here: notice that only one backend is dying, all others are up and working. Error - Message : duplicate key violates unique constraint ferber_rust_params_pkey FATAL: block 0 of 1663/19335/476756 is still referenced (local 2) server closed the connection

Re: [HACKERS] Unknown Exception (chr@active.ch)

2004-09-10 Thread chr
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