[HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-22 Thread Anne Rosset
Hi,
We are seeing some overall performance degradation in our application 
 since we installed the security release. Other commits were also done 
at the same time in the application so we don't know yet if the 
 degradation has any relationship with the security release.

 While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is possible 
 that the release has some impact on performance. After reading this 
 It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort to make 
 establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, and the 
 associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite possible.

 Please let me know. Thanks,

 Anne


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Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-22 Thread Anne Rosset
Hi Josh,
Thanks for your reply. 
I don't think this is the case since we are using jboss/jdbc driver with a 
connection pool. 

Thanks,
Anne





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From: Josh Berkus [mailto:j...@agliodbs.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:58 AM
To: Anne Rosset
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

On 04/22/2013 10:38 AM, Anne Rosset wrote:
  While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is 
 possible  that the release has some impact on performance. After 
 reading this  It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort 
 to make  establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, 
 and the  associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite 
 possible.

Does your application do a lot of rapidfire reconnection to the database?  As 
in hundreds of new connections per minute?

Mind you, if it does, I strongly recommend pgbouncer ...

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Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-22 Thread Anne Rosset
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your reply.
We are now running  9.0.13. Before it was 9.0.7.
How can I find out if we are running into this issue: ie if statistics are no 
longer being updated because analyze can't get the 
exclusive lock for truncation?

I will dig into our logs to see for the query times.
Thanks,
Anne

-Original Message-
From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:59 PM
To: Anne Rosset
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

On 13-04-22 01:38 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi,
 We are seeing some overall performance degradation in our application
   since we installed the security release. Other commits were also 
 done at the same time in the application so we don't know yet if the
   degradation has any relationship with the security release.

   While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is possible
   that the release has some impact on performance. After reading this
   It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort to make
   establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, and the
   associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite possible.

   Please let me know. Thanks,

Exactly which version of PostgreSQL are you running? (we released security 
update releases for multiple PG versions).  Also which version were you running 
before?

There were some changes to analyze/vacuum in the previous set of minor releases 
that could cause performance issues in some cases (ie if statistics are no 
longer being updated because analyze can't get the 
exclusive lock for truncation).   There might be other unintended 
performance related changes.

Are all queries taking longer or only some?  Can you find any sort of pattern 
that might help narrow the issue?

Steve

   Anne





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Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-22 Thread Anne Rosset
Hi Steve,
Yes I see these messages in our log. Is there a solution to this? 
Thanks,
Anne
-Original Message-
From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:26 PM
To: Anne Rosset
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

On 13-04-22 04:15 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Thanks for your reply.
 We are now running  9.0.13. Before it was 9.0.7.
 How can I find out if we are running into this issue: ie if 
 statistics are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the 
 exclusive lock for truncation?

This issue is discussed in the thread
http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAMkU=1xYXOJp=jLAASPdSAqab-HwhA_tnRhy+JUe=4=b=v3...@mail.gmail.com

If your seeing messages in your logs of the form:

automatic vacuum of table XXX.YYY cannot (re)acquire exclusive lock for 
truncate scan

then you might be hitting this issue.


 I will dig into our logs to see for the query times.
 Thanks,
 Anne

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:59 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 01:38 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi,
 We are seeing some overall performance degradation in our application
since we installed the security release. Other commits were also 
 done at the same time in the application so we don't know yet if the
degradation has any relationship with the security release.

While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is possible
that the release has some impact on performance. After reading this
It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort to make
establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, and the
associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite possible.

Please let me know. Thanks,
 Exactly which version of PostgreSQL are you running? (we released security 
 update releases for multiple PG versions).  Also which version were you 
 running before?

 There were some changes to analyze/vacuum in the previous set of minor 
 releases that could cause performance issues in some cases (ie if statistics 
 are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the
 exclusive lock for truncation).   There might be other unintended
 performance related changes.

 Are all queries taking longer or only some?  Can you find any sort of pattern 
 that might help narrow the issue?

 Steve

Anne







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Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-22 Thread Anne Rosset
Thanks Steve.
I have read that a fix has been put in release 9.2.3 for this issue. Is that 
right?
Thanks,
Anne

-Original Message-
From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:35 PM
To: Anne Rosset
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

On 13-04-22 04:41 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Yes I see these messages in our log. Is there a solution to this?
 Thanks,
 Anne

A manual analyze of the effected tables should work and give you updated 
statistics.  If your problem is just statistics then that should help.
A manual vacuum will , unfortunately, behave like the auto-vacuum. The only way 
to get vacuum past this (until this issue is fixed) is for 
vacuum to be able to get that exclusive lock.   If there are times of 
the day your database is less busy you might have some luck turning off 
auto-vacuum on these tables  and doing manual vacuums during those times.




 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:26 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 04:15 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Thanks for your reply.
 We are now running  9.0.13. Before it was 9.0.7.
 How can I find out if we are running into this issue: ie if 
 statistics are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the 
 exclusive lock for truncation?
 This issue is discussed in the thread
 http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAMkU=1xYXOJp=jLAASPdSAqab-HwhA_t
 nRhy+JUe=4=b=v3...@mail.gmail.com

 If your seeing messages in your logs of the form:

 automatic vacuum of table XXX.YYY cannot (re)acquire exclusive lock for 
 truncate scan

 then you might be hitting this issue.


 I will dig into our logs to see for the query times.
 Thanks,
 Anne

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:59 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 01:38 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi,
 We are seeing some overall performance degradation in our application
 since we installed the security release. Other commits were also 
 done at the same time in the application so we don't know yet if the
 degradation has any relationship with the security release.

 While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is possible
 that the release has some impact on performance. After reading this
 It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort to make
 establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, and the
 associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite possible.

 Please let me know. Thanks,
 Exactly which version of PostgreSQL are you running? (we released security 
 update releases for multiple PG versions).  Also which version were you 
 running before?

 There were some changes to analyze/vacuum in the previous set of minor 
 releases that could cause performance issues in some cases (ie if statistics 
 are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the
 exclusive lock for truncation).   There might be other unintended
 performance related changes.

 Are all queries taking longer or only some?  Can you find any sort of 
 pattern that might help narrow the issue?

 Steve

 Anne








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Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

2013-04-23 Thread Anne Rosset
Thanks Steve.
I found this: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/release-9-2-3.html

Fix performance problems with autovacuum truncation in busy workloads (Jan 
Wieck)
Truncation of empty pages at the end of a table requires exclusive lock, but 
autovacuum was coded to fail (and release the table lock) when there are 
conflicting lock requests. Under load, it is easily possible that truncation 
would never occur, resulting in table bloat. Fix by performing a partial 
truncation, releasing the lock, then attempting to re-acquire the lock and 
continue. This fix also greatly reduces the average time before autovacuum 
releases the lock after a conflicting request arrives.

So that is not the fix? 

(Sorry to ask a second time but I really need to make sure).
Thanks,
Anne



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From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:33 AM
To: Anne Rosset
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

On 13-04-22 11:46 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Thanks Steve.
 I have read that a fix has been put in release 9.2.3 for this issue. Is that 
 right?
 Thanks,
 Anne

No this issue is present in 9.0.13, 9.1.9 and 9.2.4 (as well as 9.2.3).

There is talk about fixing this for the next set of minor releases but I 
haven't yet seen a patch.

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:35 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 04:41 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Yes I see these messages in our log. Is there a solution to this?
 Thanks,
 Anne
 A manual analyze of the effected tables should work and give you updated 
 statistics.  If your problem is just statistics then that should help.
 A manual vacuum will , unfortunately, behave like the auto-vacuum. The only 
 way to get vacuum past this (until this issue is fixed) is for
 vacuum to be able to get that exclusive lock.   If there are times of
 the day your database is less busy you might have some luck turning off 
 auto-vacuum on these tables  and doing manual vacuums during those times.




 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:26 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 04:15 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Thanks for your reply.
 We are now running  9.0.13. Before it was 9.0.7.
 How can I find out if we are running into this issue: ie if 
 statistics are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the 
 exclusive lock for truncation?
 This issue is discussed in the thread 
 http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAMkU=1xYXOJp=jLAASPdSAqab-HwhA_
 t
 nRhy+JUe=4=b=v3...@mail.gmail.com

 If your seeing messages in your logs of the form:

 automatic vacuum of table XXX.YYY cannot (re)acquire exclusive lock for 
 truncate scan

 then you might be hitting this issue.


 I will dig into our logs to see for the query times.
 Thanks,
 Anne

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:59 PM
 To: Anne Rosset
 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Performance with the new security release?

 On 13-04-22 01:38 PM, Anne Rosset wrote:
 Hi,
 We are seeing some overall performance degradation in our application
  since we installed the security release. Other commits were 
 also done at the same time in the application so we don't know yet if the
  degradation has any relationship with the security release.

  While we are digging into this, I would like to know if it is possible
  that the release has some impact on performance. After reading this
  It was created as a side effect of a refactoring effort to make
  establishing new connections to a PostgreSQL server faster, and the
  associated code more maintainable., I am thinking it is quite 
 possible.

  Please let me know. Thanks,
 Exactly which version of PostgreSQL are you running? (we released security 
 update releases for multiple PG versions).  Also which version were you 
 running before?

 There were some changes to analyze/vacuum in the previous set of minor 
 releases that could cause performance issues in some cases (ie if 
 statistics are no longer being updated because analyze can't get the
 exclusive lock for truncation).   There might be other unintended
 performance related changes.

 Are all queries taking longer or only some?  Can you find any sort of 
 pattern that might help narrow the issue?

 Steve

  Anne








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