Re: [HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 00:28 +, Greg Stark wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: There appear to be two people working periodically on the upstream NetBSD libedit: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/libedit/?sortby=date And a third

Re: [HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:53 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: * Tom Lane (t...@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote: In particular, getting rid of use of OpenSSL would not be sufficient to satisfy the most rabid GPL partisans that we were in compliance. I've never heard anyone argue that position, don't believe

Re: [HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 22:53 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Stephen Frost wrote: -- Start of PGP signed section. * Greg Stark (gsst...@mit.edu) wrote: Well for what it's worth we want to support both. At least the project philosophy has been that commercial derivatives are expected and

Re: [HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
population is squarely in Ubuntu world and that has some serious public implications as a whole. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http

Re: [HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 14:59 -0500, charles.mcdev...@emc.com wrote: If psql uses libreadline and libgnutls, does that mean psql will be distributed under the GPL in the future? Or Dual-licensed? libgnutls is libgpl, not GPL, so this is not a problem. JD -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor

[HACKERS] Debian readline/libedit breakage

2011-02-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, Per: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607109 It seems we may have a problem to consider. As far as I know, we are the only major platform that supports libedit but our default is readline. Unfortunately readline is not compatible with OpenSSL (apparently?) licensing.

Re: [HACKERS] Sync Rep for 2011CF1

2011-02-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 13:53 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: That having been said, there is at least one part of this patch which looks to be in pretty good shape and seems independently useful regardless of what happens to the rest of it, and that is the code that sends replies from the standby

Re: [HACKERS] Sync Rep for 2011CF1

2011-02-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 17:59 +, Simon Riggs wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 12:39 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: I just spoke to my manager at EnterpriseDB and he cleared my schedule for the next two days to work on this. So I'll go hack on this now. I haven't read the patch yet so I don't

Re: [HACKERS] Sync Rep for 2011CF1

2011-02-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 12:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: +1. I, for one, would vote against extending beta if Sync Rep isn't ready yet. There's plenty of other big features in 9.1, and Sync Rep will benefit from having additional development time given the number of major spec points we only

[HACKERS] PgEast 2011: 3 days until close of CFP

2011-02-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello hackers, Just FYI, the CFP for PgEast in NYC closes in three days. https://www.postgresqlconference.org/talk_types Sincerely, JD -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development,

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
aren't talking about shelling out 50k here. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 17:39 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by this. Now that I read it, I not sure what I meant either. :) How about this: the selection, management, and oversight

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Joshua D. Drake
that such grants are limited to members of PgUS. Although, I should mention that there's no restriction for residents of any country becoming a member of PgUS. OK. Correct. You will have to be a member of PgUS. However, we don't restrict who can be a member. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake

[HACKERS] PgEast: 2011, 2nd call for papers

2011-01-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hey folks, PgEast is being held in NYC this year from 03/22-03-25. Get your papers in, the deadline is soon! http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support

Re: [HACKERS] Sync Rep Design

2011-01-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
I'm not feeling well now, so I'm going to go to bed, not just to avoid snapping at people. Even given that short interlude, I see no problem about delivery. Cool! Thanks Simon. Feel better. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http

Re: [HACKERS] system views for walsender activity

2011-01-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
be more relevant but I definitely agree something more newbie appropriate is in order. Joshua D. Drake -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com

Re: [HACKERS] making an unlogged table logged

2011-01-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company A couple thoughts: 1. Could the making a table logged be a non-exclusive lock if the ALTER is allowed to take a full checkpoint? If possible, that would certainly be better. If the bgwriter is

Re: [HACKERS] WIP patch for parallel pg_dump

2010-12-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
find it, odds are the patch person will not be able to find it either. I would have to agree here. The idea that we have to search email is bad enough (issue/bug/feature tracker anyone?) but to have someone say, search the archives? That is just plain rude and anti-community. Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] WIP patch for parallel pg_dump

2010-12-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 18:26 -0500, Aidan Van Dyk wrote: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: I would have to agree here. The idea that we have to search email is bad enough (issue/bug/feature tracker anyone?) but to have someone say, search

Re: [HACKERS] Why don't we accept exponential format for integers?

2010-12-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
:84292, Sep 15 2010, 16:22:56) [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. print int(1e+01) 10 Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake regards, tom lane -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com

Re: [HACKERS] Why don't we accept exponential format for integers?

2010-12-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
int('1e+01')'; 10 Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt -- Sent via pgsql

[HACKERS] PgEast 2011: NYC CFP

2010-12-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
December 16th, 2010: Celebrating 15 years of PostgreSQL, early. Following on the smashing success of PostgreSQL Conference West, PostgreSQL Conference West, The PostgreSQL Conference for Developers, End Users and Decision Makers, is being held at the Hotel Pennsylvania, in New York City from

Re: [HACKERS] ALTER EXTENSION ... UPGRADE;

2010-12-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 15:42 -0500, Andrew Dunstan wrote: On 12/10/2010 03:24 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Also, once extensions and pgxn are operating full swing, I see contrib going away anyway ... We've heard this before, but I'm still quite skeptical about it. Quite apart from anything

Re: [HACKERS] Anyone for SSDs?

2010-12-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing

Re: [HACKERS] Final(?) proposal for wal_sync_method changes

2010-12-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 18:11 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: On 12/7/10 2:28 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Another point here is that it's not clear why we're selecting a known-to-be-insecure default on OS X (where in fact all methods except fsync_writethrough fail to

Re: [HACKERS] Final(?) proposal for wal_sync_method changes

2010-12-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 19:00 -0500, Chris Browne wrote: x...@thebuild.com (Christophe Pettus) writes: On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Because nobody sane uses OSX on the server? The XServe running 10.5 server and 9.0.1 at the other end of the office takes your remark

Re: [HACKERS] Another proposal for table synonyms

2010-12-01 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:13 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: Well, porting applications from other database systems that support synonyms (i.e. Oracle, DB2, SQL Server). SQL Server supports synonyms? If it's not Oracle-only, it's a more powerful argument to have the feature. Oracle, DB2 and

Re: [HACKERS] Another proposal for table synonyms

2010-12-01 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:46 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: I'd love to hear from someone at EDB: how are you dealing with synonym name collisions right now? I think the way we deal with that is the way PostgreSQL deals with it. Unique names per search path. Have you had an employment

Re: [HACKERS] SQL/MED estimated time of arrival?

2010-11-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 20:18 +0200, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: On 23.11.2010 14:22, Shigeru HANADA wrote: OID is supported to get oid from the source table (yes, it works only for postgresql_fdw but it seems useful to support). I don't think that's worthwhile. Oids on user tables is a

Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs

2010-11-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 14:48 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:01 PM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote: On Nov 22, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: ... original patch. Sorry. Let's not fiddle with the names. To be clear, as things stand now, the new

Re: [HACKERS] autovacuum maintenance_work_mem

2010-11-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 10:36 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: On 11/16/10 9:27 AM, Robert Haas wrote: I'm a little skeptical about creating more memory tunables. DBAs who are used to previous versions of PG will find that their vacuum is now really slow, because they adjusted maintenance_work_mem

Re: [HACKERS] unlogged tables

2010-11-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 14:00 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: Yeah, you'd have to allow a flag to control the behavior. And in that case I'd rather the flag have a single default rather than different defaults depending on whether or not individual tables were selected. Something like

Re: [HACKERS] unlogged tables

2010-11-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 00:08 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On tis, 2010-11-16 at 14:00 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: It seems to me that most people using unlogged tables won't want to back them up ... especially since the share lock for pgdump will add overhead for the kinds of high-volume

Re: [HACKERS] WIP: extensible enums

2010-11-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:20 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Well, you can rename an item today if you don't mind doing a direct UPDATE on pg_enum. I think that's probably sufficient if the

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 07:05 -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 19:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: *you don't know* how many .org users plan to implement replication, whether it's a minority or majority. None of us know. What

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 16:25 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: https://www.postgresqlconference.org/content/replication-poll You don't have to login to take it but of course it helps with validity of results. Oh, I'd already put something up on http://www.postgresql.org/community Sorry, didn't

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 17:12 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Sorry, didn't know... I have 122 responses so far, which I think will be surprising (some of them certainly surprised me). I will keep it open until next week and then post the results. Well, for any community site poll, I hope you

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 15:33 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: Josh has completely failed to make a case that that should be the default. Agreed. In what way have a failed to make a case? You're assuming that we should set up the default behavior to

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Customers will want replication but that is by far NOT the majority of our (.Org) users. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http

Re: [HACKERS] max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 19:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: I would also agree that the minority of our users will want replication. The majority of CMD customers, PGX customers, EDB Customers will want replication but that is

Re: [HACKERS] default_statistics_target WAS: max_wal_senders must die

2010-10-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 15:15 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Maybe what should be done about this is to have separate sizes for the MCV list and the histogram, where the MCV list is automatically sized during ANALYZE. It's been suggested multiple times that we should base our sample size on a %

Re: [HACKERS] Floating-point timestamps versus Range Types

2010-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 10:00 -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote: On Oct 17, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: 3. Somehow deprecate floating point timestamps or make them unusable in conjunction with Range Types. I'm not sure if there is demand to keep them alive or not. This seems the best

Re: [HACKERS] Fate of the old cvs repository

2010-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 17:54 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: So, it seems we're pretty firmly on git now, and I doubt we're ever going to shift back now :) That means I'd like to get the two CVS VMs shut down (that's cvs.postgresql.org and anoncvs.postgresql.org), so we don't have to attempt

Re: [HACKERS] Floating-point timestamps versus Range Types

2010-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 16:27 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: The only major distribution that I know of that ships the deprecated configuration is RedHat/Fedora. I don't know when that will change. Red Hat switched to integer datetimes as of 8.4

Re: [HACKERS] Floating-point timestamps versus Range Types

2010-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 15:52 -0700, Greg Stark wrote: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: The only major distribution that I know of that ships the deprecated configuration is RedHat/Fedora. I don't know when that will change. If only we knew

Re: [HACKERS] First patch proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
and is it readable - Do paths to the output files ( -o and -l) exist and are they writable - Is the host/socket listening (-h) I think these are pretty good. The last one might not be as easy as you think. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http

Re: [HACKERS] Issues with Quorum Commit

2010-10-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 19:44 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: I don't see this as needing any implementation any more complicated than the usual way such timeouts are handled. Note how long you've been trying to reach the standby. Default to -1 for forever. And if you hit the timeout, mark the

Re: [HACKERS] leaky views, yet again

2010-10-05 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:27 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Personally I think this is a dead end that we shouldn't be wasting any more time on. But you haven't proposed a reasonable

Re: [HACKERS] leaky views, yet again

2010-10-05 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 14:49 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Greg Stark gsst...@mit.edu wrote: Though I find it unlikely the sales people would have direct access to run arbitrary SQL -- let alone create custom functions. I have definitely seen shops where

Re: pg_upgrade pain; was Re: [HACKERS] Why is time with timezone 12 bytes?

2010-09-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
the community. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt -- Sent via pgsql

Re: [HACKERS] git cherry-pick timestamping issue

2010-09-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 22:22 +0100, Thom Brown wrote: On 23 September 2010 22:20, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Robert Haas wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Apparently somebody's confused between local

Re: [HACKERS] Configuring synchronous replication

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql

Re: [HACKERS] Configuring synchronous replication

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
that my solution puts code in more places and that it may be more of a burden for the hackers. However, we aren't building this for hackers. Most hackers don't even use the product. We are building it for our community, which are by far user space developers and dbas. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] Configuring synchronous replication

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 13:26 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 13:00 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: But it CAN'T be a system catalog, because, among other

Re: [HACKERS] Configuring synchronous bikeshedding

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 21:05 +0100, Thom Brown wrote: On 22 September 2010 19:50, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: All: I feel compelled to point out that, to date, there have been three times as many comments on what format the configuration file should be as there have been on what

Re: [HACKERS] Another Modest Proposal: Platforms

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 13:17 -0700, David Fetter wrote: Folks, While it's interesting to note, in an historical sense, that a platform most recently updated when 1999 was still in the future, I think it's time we did a little pruning. We can start by supporting only platforms git runs on,

Re: [HACKERS] Another Modest Proposal: Platforms

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
on the idea of reducing our supported platforms. I see no reason to support Solaris 9 NetBSD in any form FreeBSD 6 Any Linux not supported by its own community (e.g; FC9) Irix SCO Note: I am not actually advocating this as much as stating my own personal opinion. Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] Another Modest Proposal: Platforms

2010-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers

Re: [HACKERS] Any reason why the default_with_oids GUC is still there?

2010-09-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
to remove it. But bigger than that. The uninformed still use OIDs. They shouldn't. Joshua D. Drake regards, tom lane -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development

Re: [HACKERS] Configuring synchronous replication

2010-09-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
REPLICATION FOR FOO; ALTER CLUSTER SET keep_connect ON FOO TO TRUE; Or some such thing. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true

Re: [HACKERS] Policy decisions and cosmetic issues remaining for the git conversion

2010-09-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake
as it was) at this point (for at least another 15 years). Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt

[HACKERS] PgWest 2010 CFP extended (one week)

2010-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
For one week guys... https://www.postgresqlconference.org/2010/west/cfp/ -- PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake(at)jabber(dot)postgresql(dot)org Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997 -- Sent via

Re: [HACKERS] Performance Farm Release

2010-08-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 03:28 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: 4) Merge the perfarm fork changes into the mainline buildfarm code. I expect continued bitrot of this code as changes are made to the regular buildfarm client, so it might be worth considering that sooner rather than later. As Andrew

Re: [HACKERS] Backups from the standby (Incrementally Updated Backups), open item

2010-08-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 13:44 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: On 8/24/10 12:42 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Marko Tiikkaja marko.tiikk...@cs.helsinki.fi writes: Is this method not reliable then? Can something go wrong even if the user does exactly what the documentation says? It is not. This whole

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
release): Gnome is a bad example. People barely know if at all they are running Gnome. They are running Ubuntu. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 13:12 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: PostgreSQL is a user space project. Yes we have a solid core of -hackers but our wider use is a place where hackers don't exist. User space developers do. I.e; PHP people. This is utter

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 18:24 +0100, Greg Stark wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: There was *NEVER* a Windows NT 4.0.x, there was Windows NT 4.0 SP2. I'm not sure what you're point is here. There was a NT 4.0 followed by SP1 through SP6

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
this time. Hahahahaha. Yeah I think we are spinning at this point. I posted a simple, problem we are trying to solve email. If we can do that, great. If not we are just wasting bandwidth. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http

Re: [HACKERS] git: uh-oh

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:36 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: I believe Robert had some comments/questions as well :-) What Magnus means is that I'm a grumpy old developer who complains about everything. +1 JD --

Re: [HACKERS] git: uh-oh

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 14:47 +0100, Dave Page wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: I believe Robert had some comments/questions as well :-) What Magnus means is that

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
is to continue to add confusion to the masses of users we have, you are correct. If our goal is to simplify the ability for a user to accurately understand the version of PostgreSQL they are running, then you are wrong. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 18:10 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: Maybe we can give marketing brand names to every new version so people is not confused by numbers... Ah, yes. Because it's so intuitive that Windows 7 comes after Windows 95... :-) Not really a comparable argument. I find it

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 15:41 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Not really a comparable argument. I find it interesting that people are making logical arguments about something that is clearly not in the logical realm. This is marketing people. Then why are we discussing it on -hackers? Good

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
scheme of versioning? Is there a problem we are creating? Are we arguing for the sake of arguing? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering

2010-08-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 01:36 +, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Look at other DBMSes: Oracle: 8i, 9i, 10g, 11g Informix 9, 10, 11 MS SQL Server 7, 2000, 2005, 2008 is not only confusing but make people think we are somehow behind

Re: [HACKERS] git: uh-oh

2010-08-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:26 -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Excerpts from Magnus Hagander's message of miƩ ago 18 11:52:58 -0400 2010: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 17:33, Khee Chin kheec...@gmail.com wrote: I previously proposed off-list an alternate solution to generate the git repository which

Re: [HACKERS] JSON Patch for PostgreSQL - BSON Support?

2010-08-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
. TOAST is quite likely to be a good answer for this. Except: How much JSON data will actually be TOASTed? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http

Re: [HACKERS] Git migration timeline

2010-08-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:19 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 16:15, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:58, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: I can see the point of wanting to be dead certain the

Re: [HACKERS] including backend ID in relpath of temp rels - updated patch

2010-08-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
was under the impression that the project guideline was that we only accepted context diffs? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http://twitter.com

Re: [HACKERS] patch: Add JSON datatype to PostgreSQL (GSoC, WIP)

2010-08-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
would be curious to the benefit of putting it in core. I have no problem with the type but in core? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering http

Re: [HACKERS] patch for contrib/isn

2010-08-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
with the new 979-prefix and additionally added all missing ranges since year 2006 for isbn with 978-prefix. patch against HEAD is attached and validated against a lot of previously wrong and correct hyphenated isbn. regards, jan Great! Thanks. We will get it on the review list. Joshua D

Re: [HACKERS] Develop item from TODO list

2010-08-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
): Bluefish Anjuta Kate If you want a full environment with projects, SCM integration etc... I would suggest Eclipse. That said, if you can get a handle on VI/VIM or (joe :P) you will probably be pleased with the efficiency. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command

Re: [HACKERS] Two problems when using Postgresql8.3.7, Please help me!

2010-08-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
only Xof X bytes. I spent two days to figure out what happened, but it is too hard.Please help me. What are you using to transfer the WAL? Did you read this chapter? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/continuous-archiving.html Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major

Re: [HACKERS] On Scalability

2010-07-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
and company). Again, test it. Generally speaking the number of child tables directly correlates to planning time. Most experience that 60-100 tables is really the highest you can go. It all depends on actual implementation and business requirements however. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] On Scalability

2010-07-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 19:34 +0200, Vincenzo Romano wrote: I expect that a more complex schema will imply higher workloads on the query planner. What I don't know is how the increase in the workload will happen: linearly, sublinearly, polinomially or what? Significant testing would require a

Re: [HACKERS] On Scalability

2010-07-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 19:52 +0200, Vincenzo Romano wrote: 2010/7/29 Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 19:34 +0200, Vincenzo Romano wrote: I expect that a more complex schema will imply higher workloads on the query planner. What I don't know is how the increase

Re: [HACKERS] Toward a column reorder solution

2010-07-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:55:18 -0700, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote: On Jul 27, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Correct. We are also hoping to get some sponsorship for it. https://www.fossexperts.com/ Frigging copycat. Hah! I gave you kudos :P (you are in the FAQ

Re: [HACKERS] Toward a column reorder solution

2010-07-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:30 -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote: On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hah! I gave you kudos :P (you are in the FAQ) Ah, thanks. The link is missing a G: It's PGXN, not PXN. Yeah that is already fixed, just waiting for cache to clear (on the server

Re: [HACKERS] do we need to postpone beta4?

2010-07-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 14:11 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: I think we should consider postponing beta4. I count eleven non-documentation, 9.0-specific bug fix on REL9_0_STABLE, but there are currently five items on the open 9.0 issues list, at least one of

Re: [HACKERS] Toward a column reorder solution

2010-07-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-12/msg00983.php Alvaro is planning to work on this for 9.1, I believe. http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-07/msg00188.php Yay! Correct. We are also hoping to get some sponsorship for it. https://www.fossexperts.com/ Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] antisocial things you can do in git (but not CVS)

2010-07-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 13:48 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yeah. Also, please bear in mind that our explicit aim here is to make this change with a minimal disruption to existing work flows. So to all those people who want to say Look, you can now do all these cool things my answer is

[HACKERS] permission inconsistency with functions

2010-07-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
EXECUTE permissions I can still see the function in pg_proc. This seems like an inconsistency worth looking into, especially now that we have per column perms. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting

Re: [HACKERS] permission inconsistency with functions

2010-07-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 21:55 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On fre, 2010-07-23 at 11:48 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: In particular, it must have read access to all tables that you want to back up, so in practice you almost always have to run it as a database superuser. Ignoring

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-19 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 10:23 -0700, David Fetter wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 02:12:19PM -, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 1. \d isn't exactly the most intuitive thing ever Seems fairly mnemomic to me (d=describe) and it

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 09:02 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote: * Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote: Why must the backslash commands be more powerful than any alternative we might come up with? Because they encode alot

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 23:30 +0200, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: On 07/17/2010 04:02 PM, Robert Haas wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Stephen Frostsfr...@snowman.net wrote: * Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote: Why must the backslash commands be more powerful than any alternative

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
a single, well described grammar for interacting with objects in the database regardless of client. I should be able to open ANY SQL terminal, and type SHOW ME THE MONEY and have Benjamins fall out. The discussions of \ commands and psql are irrelevant to this thread. Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 07:36 +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 17 July 2010 07:26, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: Yes. We should provide a single, well described grammar for interacting with objects in the database regardless of client. I should be able to open ANY SQL terminal

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
. SHOW TABLES, SHOW COLUMNS makes a lot of sense. Just has something like DESCRIBE TABLE foo makes a lot more sense than \d. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 17:38 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: Looks like the last time this was discussed, there wasn't any clear conclusion. Someone created a patch and it's still on the TODO list: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-01/msg01845.php That one is about: a)

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