7;all issues were discussed', maybe instead of
're-discussing' it, why not just read through the archives that should be
available of that discussion ... ?
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definitely ... especially if they happen to pick up a bug at the
same time :)
Anything that improves *testing* or *documentation* should be no-brainers
for addition during the release process, since they both improve the end
product without affecting the backend code itself ...
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that is a packagers
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of factors involved in the above, which I'm looking
into, but when I first saw the above, I just about had a heartattack, only
because i've never seen such high #s for total pages needed ...
... Is this something that others are seeing as relatively normal?
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Andrew - Supernews wrote:
The relfilenode of the index relation changes, so it's no longer equal
to the OID. If you look on-disk for the relfilenode, you will find it.
Perfect, hadn't even thought of that ... thanks ...
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# reindex table pg_statistic;
REINDEX
#
Shouldn't this work? Or, at least, generate an error message?
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REINDEX DATABASE, as just discussed, does only the SYSTEM tables ... is
there a way of having VACUUM run only on teh system tables also, without
having to do each individually?
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Jan Wieck wrote:
On 6/12/2005 8:03 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Couldn't behaviour of REINDEX DATABASE not take that into account, and
'skip' the system indices if not superuser?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Jan Wieck wrote:
Silently doing something other than what the user requested ... I
don't think this is the right way to become the most popular open
source database
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Jan Wieck wrote:
On 6/12/2005 8:03 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Couldn't behaviour of REINDEX DATABASE not take that into account, and
'skip' the system indices if not superuser?
Silently doing something other than what the user requested ... I don'
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Greg Stark wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Why all the choices? What cases are there for doing one without the
other? If you want to get 'fine tuned', do a 'REINDEX TABLE' ... I can
see REINDEX SYSTEM and REINDEX
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
It's always bothered me too. How about
REINDEX SYSTEM -> system tables (current meaning of R. DATABASE)
REINDEX USER -> all non-system tables
If you want to get 'fine tuned', do a 'REINDEX TABLE' ... I can
see REINDEX SYSTEM and REINDEX DATABASE (includes SYSTEM), but not the
USER one ..
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g to create tables that already
exist from loading tsearch2.sql:
pg_restore: [archiver (db)] could not execute query: ERROR: relation
"pg_ts_dict" already exists
So that doesn't appear to be an option either ...
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ith it.
I do believe it is fixed in the 8 series though.
'k, is the bug with pg_dump, or pg_restore? I'm guessing pg_dump, but
just want to make sure ...
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cles.id"
pg_restore: [archiver (db)] could not execute query: ERROR: type "tsvector"
does not exist
tsvector is defined in the dump, but appears to be *after* the TABLES
themselves are created ... basically, shouldn't functions be created
before TABLES are?
This is
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Josh Berkus wrote:
Marc,
What did I post? *raised eyebrow*
Didn't you grep the source for "GPL"? Or was it someone else?
Someone else :)
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Sweet, that's it ... could you add an EXAMPLE section to the man page
showing this? Seems I'm not the only one that was a bit confused how to
use it, based on other 'try this' that ppl sent :)
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
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# ./
nt on this...
I thought I *was* moving on this. Frankly, until Marc posted I wasn't
aware that it was *possible* to have differently-licensed stuff except
in /contrib.
What did I post? *raised eyebrow*
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gure `pg_config --configure | tr "'" " "`
configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
configure: error: unrecognized option: -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib
Try `./configure --help' for more information.
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configure?
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:50:06PM -0300 I heard the voice of
Marc G. Fournier, and lo! it spake thus:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 04:21:46PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Why would it destroy the history
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 04:21:46PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Dienstag, 7. Juni 2005 19:53 schrieb Josh Berkus:
I think it would also be helpful to users if we could create
subdirectories to
moved
JDBC/ODBC out of core, the history was maintained ...
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Josh Berkus wrote:
Peter,
Packagers should simply build all contrib items. No extra options are
needed.
No, they shoudn't. 3 of the packages currently in /contrib are GPL.
Building them makes all of PostgreSQL GPL.
Then they should be removed ...
M
ntact the co-ordinator in a week or so, since
apparently this is just one program they are running, and we may be able
to find another that we can fit into ...
I'll keep in touch the guy and see if we can get in on the ground floor of
other programs they might start up ...
Marc
.
Lead Software Developer,
http://saihertz.com,
http://vishalkashyap.tk
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the proposal, again, from my take, can't be simply tackling a few random
issues, but is more meant to deal with large projects that would take
someone full time to get done ... ie. the GiST rewrite or something of
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oogle asking for more information on becoming a
mentor, will post once I hear back more ...
While waiting, for any students that are interested, can I suggest going
to the above URL, look at what is requested in preparation ...
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Ma
3 month
period?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Are there any restrictions on 'mentor groups'? For instance, could we create
a 'mentors' mailing list, closed subscriptions, that contained those willing
to actively mentor, so that those being mentor'd have
Development Group, I can do it under my company.
Thoughts?
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In case nobody has seen this:
http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
Might be something to help fun, say, the GiST stuff? Just need to
find a student that could be mentor'd/directed/brought up to spe
In case nobody has seen this:
http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
Might be something to help fun, say, the GiST stuff? Just need to find a
student that could be mentor'd/directed/brought up to speed?
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27; for a
goal ... you 'estimated' 2-3 months of dedicated work at one point in this
thread ... is that for one person or two or ?? What sort of monetary
value would be attached to that sort of thing?
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nce cost not be worth getting rid of the deadlocks, until the
concurrency issues can be properly dealt with?
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Just want to make sure that this is, in fact, what is expected:
client1: begin;
client1: update articles set some_col = where id = ;
client2: update articles set some_col2 = where id = ;
This is a 7.4.6 database right now ...
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ERROR: source database "template1" is being accessed by other users
Why is this not allowed? Not that there is generally a reason to be in
template1, but am curious as to why it prevents a new DB from being
created if someone is connected to it ...
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Do to moderator error (namely, mine), several hundred messages (spread
across all the lists) were just approved ...
Sorry for all the incoming junk :(
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of
lock? If so, anywhere in the docs that mentions this that I should be
reading through?
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ool ... so we'd need to find someone with the time to act as
intermediary to update things accordingly ...
... and I think *that* is probably one of hte major show stoppers ...
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ouple of days? We have a long list of
'TODO' items, but could anyone generate a list of "known bugs"?
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On Thu, 12 May 2005, Andreas Pflug wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
... but stuff like admintools should be on pgfoundry ...
This is a quite *ix centric attitude. Please note that probably >90 % of
win32 installations have them installed by default (from the win32
installer). People moving
atype' stuff ... I really liked someone's idea of a
'modules' directory, that stuff like dbsize, earthdistance, tsearch2, etc
could go under, but stuff like admintools should be on pgfoundry ...
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removed unless there is a known problem, and if one shows
up, we can re-add them later." ... or am I mis-quoting?
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Just a heads up, I'm going to re-package the releases starting at 2pm ADT
this afternoon ... if anyone has any show stoppers like Jan, please speak
up within the next couple of hours :)
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atents would be freely licensed to everyone (including commercial
redistributors and developers/users of competing products), except to
patent litigators, or something like that.
Individual developers could get their work patent'd, I would imagine ...
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think that the # of "sub projects" that this would apply to is so
few that setting anything up more formally then Simon sending out an
updated patch would be more work then the derived benefit ...
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On Fri, 6 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Should we not change it to bonjour as that is the actual name for it?
Rendezvous is the Apple network discovery protocol yes? That was renamed
Bonjour by apple due to a Trademark problem
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Should we not change it to bonjour as that is the actual name for it?
huh?
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producing ... ?
But, if that is the case, then why not just archive the Weekly News on the
main web site and provide a link/sub-page expressly for that?
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ant an interface that they can peruse, easily search,
see priority etc...
Sounds like what http://www.postgresql.org is either doing, or should be
extended to do ...
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his is one of those "check the archives, its been discussed before" kinda
threads ;(
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re CVS, with 'external stuff' being
something we *could* do ... some stuff, I'm fairly confident could be
easily/safely done, like JDBC, since those folks are active on these lists
... I don't know if libpqxx folks are around here, but if they were, one
would expect them t
ball would have a
configure like we have now:
./configure --with-python
so that you could pick-n-choose which ones to build ... or, rather, it
should be smarter yet and be able to determine that libpython is available
or not, and build accordingly ...
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existing libs/headers is optimal ...
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can't *require* the postgresql sources to be
available ... plphp will still require php4 to be installed before hand,
pl/R would still require the R stuff, etc ...
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included in that release ... we're not going to chase them down ...
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h harder than specifying
a file..
If you seriously install *every* PL and every contrib file on your server,
then that is an option ...
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On Fri, 6 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Let me know if anyone sees any problems with them ...
Tarballs match what I have here ... except it looks like you are
regenerating the 7.3 HISTORY and INSTALL files using slightly different
too
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2005 23:47 schrieb Marc G. Fournier:
have against is that the names could get very long:
postgresql-fuzzystrmatch-8.0.2.tar.gz
the postgresql part just seems redundant ...
Not once you have downloaded it and don't remember wher
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Dave Page wrote:
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Sent: 06 May 2005 01:15
To: Magnus Hagander
Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; Robert Treat; Tom Lane; Josh
Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But we need at least one of them ready for a standalone build first ...
PL/Java might be ready. Depends on your definition of "standalone build"
of cours
Any objections to my creating an 'old' directory and moving the old
versions into it, so that only the latest release on each 'branch' is
visible in /pub/source?
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Or, rather, I'm rebuilding 7.2.8 since the tar file looked wrong the first
build ... but the other three are done, and 7.2.x *should* be by the time
y'all see this ...
Let me know if anyone sees any problems with them ...
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ely reducing things down to:
postgresql-server (including libpq)
postgresql-
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
But we need at least one of them ready for a standalone build first ...
PL/Java might be ready. Depends on your definition of "standalone build" of
course. Can you elaborate?
could I download a tar file to my machine th
atch-8.0.2.tar.gz
the postgresql part just seems redundant ...
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Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased
'meta package' that includes both, to give a 'base' to
work from ...
But we need at least one of them ready for a standalone build first ...
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irectories ... but that becomes a build issue if someone wants to try and
tackle that?
if directory src/pl/php exists, run configure in there with current args?
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On Thu, 5 May 2005, Robert Treat wrote:
On Thursday 05 May 2005 14:25, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
Can I suggest that we focus on PLs first and foremost, since that will
allow us to get stuff like pl/PHP, pl/Java, pl/J(?), and pl/R in place,
and then ramp up other
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
This is not to say that we might not want to adjust our
distribution setup so that it's easier for people to find 'em ---
that is, we could put JDBC/ODBC tarballs on the main ftp servers.
But I don't see the need f
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 03:25:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
'k, if there are no disagreements ... I can't see there being much we need
to do to "get started" ... I don't need a "fully working and buildable
package&quo
e looking at is pretty much any driver/interface
could potentially be included, and if the tag doesn't exist (ie. nobody is
maintaining it), it wouldn't be included in that "release" ...
Sound reasonable?
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ould remain on gborg/pgfoundry where they are now, all
we'd have in our CVS would be 'the released version' ...
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d pl/java, in the
core CVS repository, they would be seperate modules, and seperate
distributions ...
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On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Can you have the same tags across different modules in the same CVS
server? If so, that would work.
I believe that I can made a 'meta module'
tion of plpgsql,
exclusively as a separate tarball, to be released exactly when a server
release is done.
I believe that that is what Tom is proposing, and that I'm
enthusiastically endorsing ..
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On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Note that what Tom is proposing is actually yanking *all* PLs from the
core source tree, but having them all within the core CVS ... I believe
his "motivation" is that he only has one CV
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On Wed, 4 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Josh Berkus wrote:
Folks,
Sorry, you lost me -- what are server-side drivers?
Oh, good ... I ended up sending Josh an email offlist asking this, cause
I
figured I was missing something ... but now I feel
ivers that get used on the server at least some of the time, like libpqxx
and JDBC, as opposed to drivers which are strictly client-only, like pgODBC.
JDBC gets used on the server? Where? Same with libpqxx ... where is that
used on the server side?
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On Mon, 2 May 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
The 2PC patch by Heikki Linnakangas (sp?) is also waiting and so far I
haven't seen any indication that it may be merged.
Actually, its one of the features we have planned to have merged for 8.1
... :)
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any work) port committers ...
Using cvsacls could deal with that particular problem. Take the PHP
project's 1500 committers, and how they can only modify particular files.
cvsacls? got a URL for that that I can read?
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a project" that everything went through ...
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... I ended up sending Josh an email offlist asking this, cause I
figured I was missing something ... but now I feel vindicated(?) knowing
I'm not the only one confused by this one :)
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ersion control systems provide
"per directory user restrictions"? Where I could give CVS access to
Joshua, for instance, just to the plphp directory?
Serious question here, since I don't know, I only know CVS can't (or,
rather, not that I've ever been able to find in the
remap/trove_list.php?form_cat=310
the more 'highly visible projects' that get moved onto pgfoundry, the more
visible pgfoundry itself will become, and the 'defacto standard place to
look' ...
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add commit access to whomever they wish,
whenever they wish, something that doesn't happen with FreeBSD ... its
relatively rare that you see a new committer added, and not on a whim ...
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On Tue, 3 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Dave Cramer wrote:
How come we have never seen anyone complain on the lists that the tarball
is too big ( or have we )
Because ppl are downloading the "split distributions" instead of the whol
lf, I find my time
better spent working on the end application, not download a bunch of docs
and stuff that I don't need to install ... each to their own ... but,
again, the options are avaialble to you ...
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On Tue, 3 May 2005, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Now it is true that you don't need this in for plphp. But if you want php
to have pg client support you need pg built first. And no sane packager is
going to build php twice.
Actually, if you look through FreeBSD ports, th
build, but would not necessarily build php4-pgsql ...
it is done this way to avoid packagers having to build a monolithich
"contains everything" php4 ...
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