Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-08 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark st...@mit.edu writes: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Merlin Moncure mmonc...@gmail.com wrote: Facts are not subject to copyright but compilations can be. I know it's popular for engineers to play lawyer and I've been guilty of it on many an occasion. But in this case I think

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-08 Thread Mark Mielke
On 10/07/2011 11:02 PM, Greg Stark wrote: All that said I think this is far murkier than you all seem to think. Copyright law is one of the most complex areas of the law and this is one of the least well defined parts of copyright law. Hi Greg: I don't think we all think this issue is

[HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Andrea Suisani
On 10/05/2011 07:37 AM, Tom Lane wrote: davegda...@sonic.net writes: Postgresql 9.0.4 has the timezone: America/Blanc-Sablon However other sources seem to spell this with an underscore instead of dash: America/Blanc_Sablon I don't know what other sources you're consulting, but

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrea Suisani wrote: On 10/05/2011 07:37 AM, Tom Lane wrote: davegda...@sonic.net writes: Postgresql 9.0.4 has the timezone: America/Blanc-Sablon However other sources seem to spell this with an underscore instead of dash: America/Blanc_Sablon I don't know what other

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: Andrea Suisani wrote: Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post and I thought it would be worthy to report it here: http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html I suppose there is nothing stopping them

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: Andrea Suisani wrote: Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post and I thought it would be worthy to report it here: http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html I suppose there is

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Tom Lane wrote: It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision. Agreed.  I am just pointing out the possible exposure. The one interesting case

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Thom Brown
On 7 October 2011 21:17, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: Andrea Suisani wrote: Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post and I thought it would be worthy to report it here:

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Peter Geoghegan pe...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Tom Lane wrote: It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision.

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Mark Mielke
My original read of the problem determined (for me personally) that the only way one could be in violation of copyright was if the data was incorrect (i.e. not factual). It presented an interesting contradiction. The only way they could sue is by agreeing that their data is faulty and should

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Mark Mielke m...@mark.mielke.cc wrote: My original read of the problem determined (for me personally) that the only way one could be in violation of copyright was if the data was incorrect (i.e. not factual). It presented an interesting contradiction. The only

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Greg Stark
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Merlin Moncure mmonc...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Tom Lane wrote: It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision. The one

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Jaime Casanova
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Greg Stark st...@mit.edu wrote: All that said I think this is far murkier than you all seem to think. Copyright law is one of the most complex areas of the law and this is one of the least well defined parts of copyright law. imposing no natural restrictions