Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-08 Thread Mark Mielke
On 10/07/2011 11:02 PM, Greg Stark wrote: All that said I think this is far murkier than you all seem to think. Copyright law is one of the most complex areas of the law and this is one of the least well defined parts of copyright law. Hi Greg: I don't think "we all" think this issue is clea

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark writes: > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: >> Facts are not subject to copyright but compilations can be. > I know it's popular for engineers to play lawyer and I've been guilty > of it on many an occasion. But in this case I think you're all *way* > oversimplify

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Jaime Casanova
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Greg Stark wrote: > > All that said I think this is far murkier than you all seem to think. > Copyright law is one of the most complex areas of the law and this is > one of the least well defined parts of copyright law. > imposing no natural restrictions have that

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Greg Stark
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: >> On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Tom Lane wrote: It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision. >> >> The one interesting case t

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Mark Mielke wrote: > My original read of the problem determined (for me personally) that the only > way one could be in violation of copyright was if the data was incorrect > (i.e. not factual). It presented an interesting contradiction. The only way > they could su

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Mark Mielke
My original read of the problem determined (for me personally) that the only way one could be in violation of copyright was if the data was incorrect (i.e. not factual). It presented an interesting contradiction. The only way they could sue is by agreeing that their data is faulty and should no

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> Tom Lane wrote: >>> It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of >>> facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision. >> >> Agreed.  I am just pointing ou

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Thom Brown
On 7 October 2011 21:17, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: >> Andrea Suisani wrote: >>> Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post >>> and I thought it would be worthy to report it here: >>> http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html > >> I

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On 7 October 2011 21:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: >> It seems pretty baseless to me: you can't copyright a collection of >> facts.  I think we should do nothing pending a court decision. > > Agreed.  I am just pointing out the possible exposure. The one interesting case that I can r

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > Andrea Suisani wrote: > >> Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post > >> and I thought it would be worthy to report it here: > >> http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html > > > I suppose there is no

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian writes: > Andrea Suisani wrote: >> Speaking of Olson tz database, I've just stumbled across this post >> and I thought it would be worthy to report it here: >> http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html > I suppose there is nothing stopping them from attac

Re: [HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrea Suisani wrote: > On 10/05/2011 07:37 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > > daveg writes: > >> Postgresql 9.0.4 has the timezone: > >>America/Blanc-Sablon > >> However other sources seem to spell this with an underscore instead of > >> dash: > >>America/Blanc_Sablon > > > > I don't know what "oth

[HACKERS] [OT?] Time-zone database down [was: Re: timezone buglet?]

2011-10-07 Thread Andrea Suisani
On 10/05/2011 07:37 AM, Tom Lane wrote: daveg writes: Postgresql 9.0.4 has the timezone: America/Blanc-Sablon However other sources seem to spell this with an underscore instead of dash: America/Blanc_Sablon I don't know what "other sources" you're consulting, but "Blanc-Sablon" is the