Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: Patch adds cacheline padding around parts of XLogCtl. Idea from way back, but never got performance tested in a situation where WALInsertLock was the bottleneck. So this is speculative, in need of testing to investigate value. I kicked off a round of benchmarking around this. I'll post results in a few hours when the run finishes. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: Patch adds cacheline padding around parts of XLogCtl. Idea from way back, but never got performance tested in a situation where WALInsertLock was the bottleneck. So this is speculative, in need of testing to investigate value. I kicked off a round of benchmarking around this. I'll post results in a few hours when the run finishes. I thought that the best way to see any possible benefit of this patch would be to use permanent tables (since unlogged tables won't generated enough XLogInsert traffic to throttle the system) and lots of clients. So I ran tests at 32 clients and at 80 clients. There appeared to be a very small speedup. resultswp.master.32:tps = 10275.238580 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.32:tps = 10231.634195 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.32:tps = 10220.907852 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.32:tps = 10115.534399 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.32:tps = 10048.268430 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 10310.046371 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 10269.839056 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 10259.268030 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 10242.861923 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 10167.947496 (including connections establishing) Taking the median of those five results, the patch seems to have sped things up by 0.3%. At 80 clients: resultswp.master.80:tps = 7540.388586 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.80:tps = 7502.803369 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.80:tps = 7469.338925 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.80:tps = 7505.377256 (including connections establishing) resultswp.master.80:tps = 7509.402704 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 7541.305973 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 7568.942936 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 7533.128618 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 7558.258839 (including connections establishing) resultswp.xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 7562.585635 (including connections establishing) Again taking the median of the five results, that's about an 0.7% speedup. I also tried this over top of my flexlock patch. I figured that the benefit ought to be greater there, because with ProcArrayLock contention reduced, WALInsertLock contention should be the whole banana. But: resultswp.flexlock.32:tps = 11628.279679 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock.32:tps = 11556.254524 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock.32:tps = 11606.840931 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 11357.904459 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 11226.538104 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.32:tps = 11187.932415 (including connections establishing) That's about a 3.3% slowdown. resultswp.flexlock.80:tps = 11560.508772 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock.80:tps = 11673.255674 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock.80:tps = 11597.229252 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 11092.549726 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 11179.927207 (including connections establishing) resultswp.flexlock-xloginsert-padding.80:tps = 2.771332 (including connections establishing) That's even a little worse. One possible explanation is that I don't believe that what you've done here is actually sufficient to guarantee alignment on cache-line boundary - ShmemAlloc() only guarantees MAXALIGN alignment unless the allocation is at least BLCKSZ bytes. So depending on exactly how much shared memory gets allocated before XLogCtlData gets allocated, it's possible that the change could actually end up splitting all of the things you're trying to put on their own cache line across two cache lines. Might be worth fixing that and running this through its paces again. (I wonder if we shouldn't just align every shared memory allocation to 64 or 128 bytes. It wouldn't waste much memory and it would make us much more resistant to performance changes caused by minor modifications to the shared memory layout.) -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the median of those five results, the patch seems to have sped things up by 0.3%. At 80 clients: Thanks for doing that. Even if we fix it as you suggest it seems to indicate that the WALInsertLock contention is real rather than false contention. Which lends some clues as to how to proceed. One possible explanation is that I don't believe that what you've done here is actually sufficient to guarantee alignment on cache-line boundary - ShmemAlloc() only guarantees MAXALIGN alignment unless the allocation is at least BLCKSZ bytes. So depending on exactly how much shared memory gets allocated before XLogCtlData gets allocated, it's possible that the change could actually end up splitting all of the things you're trying to put on their own cache line across two cache lines. Might be worth fixing that and running this through its paces again. (I wonder if we shouldn't just align every shared memory allocation to 64 or 128 bytes. It wouldn't waste much memory and it would make us much more resistant to performance changes caused by minor modifications to the shared memory layout.) I'll look at that, thanks for the suggestion. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the median of those five results, the patch seems to have sped things up by 0.3%. At 80 clients: Thanks for doing that. Even if we fix it as you suggest it seems to indicate that the WALInsertLock contention is real rather than false contention. Which lends some clues as to how to proceed. Sure thing. My general impression from playing around with this over the last 6-7 months is that cache line sharing is just not that big a problem for us. In a case like WALInsertLock, I'm fairly certain that we're actually putting processes to sleep on a regular basis - and the overhead of a system call to go to sleep and another one to wake up and the associated context switches dwarfs the cost of passing the cache line around. It's far more important to get rid of the sleeping (which, sadly, is far harder than padding out the data structures). There are some cases where the cache line really does seem to matter - e.g. Pavan's PGPROC_MINIMAL patch delivers excellent results on Itanium - but those seem to be fairly rate FWICT. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: (I wonder if we shouldn't just align every shared memory allocation to 64 or 128 bytes. It wouldn't waste much memory and it would make us much more resistant to performance changes caused by minor modifications to the shared memory layout.) I could get behind this idea if we had a reasonably clear idea of the hardware's cache line width, but AFAIK there is no portable way to identify that. (This is a pretty fatal objection to Simon's original patch as well...) regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: (I wonder if we shouldn't just align every shared memory allocation to 64 or 128 bytes. It wouldn't waste much memory and it would make us much more resistant to performance changes caused by minor modifications to the shared memory layout.) I could get behind this idea if we had a reasonably clear idea of the hardware's cache line width, but AFAIK there is no portable way to identify that. (This is a pretty fatal objection to Simon's original patch as well...) I don't think it's very important to know the exact size. As far as I can tell, x64 is 64 bytes and Itanium and Power are 128 bytes. If you optimize for those, you'll also handle any smaller size (that's a power of two, without which a lot of things we do are wrongheaded) without wasting much memory. If you run into hardware with a giant 256-byte or large cache line, you might have some sharing, but you can't win 'em all. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
[HACKERS] Minor optimisation of XLogInsert()
Patch adds cacheline padding around parts of XLogCtl. Idea from way back, but never got performance tested in a situation where WALInsertLock was the bottleneck. So this is speculative, in need of testing to investigate value. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training Services XLogInsert_cacheline_opt.v3.patch Description: Binary data -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
