Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
Joshua D. Drake wrote: The current terminology of live and dead is already used in many places in the documentation and in userspace; mostly around the need for maintainance of dead tuples within tables, reindex cleaning up dead pages, and even in the vacuum commands output (n dead tuples cannot be removed yet). Given this patch came from userland, istm people are comfortable enough with this terminology there is no need to change it. +1 OK. I will adjust any places that still use expired, and put the patch into the queue. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDBhttp://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 13:59 -0800, Glen Parker wrote: I'd love to see this back patched into 8.2.1 if possible. Probably not. We typically do not introduce new features into back releases. And since this one would require an initdb, there is exactly zero chance of it being back-patched ... regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: I'm not really convinced that Bruce's proposed names seem any better to me. What's wrong with dead and live? In my mind, visible really means visible to anyone, and expired means visible to no one. Um ... surely, visibility is in the eye of the beholder (no smiley). I don't have an immediate suggestion for better terminology, but IMHO the whole point of visible/invisible terminology is that it depends on who's looking. Dead and live seem to convey a more appropriate air of finality. Expired is OK as a synonym for dead, but there is no thesaurus anywhere in the world that will suggest it as an antonym for visible. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: I'm not really convinced that Bruce's proposed names seem any better to me. What's wrong with dead and live? In my mind, visible really means visible to anyone, and expired means visible to no one. Um ... surely, visibility is in the eye of the beholder (no smiley). I don't have an immediate suggestion for better terminology, but IMHO the whole point of visible/invisible terminology is that it depends on who's looking. Dead and live seem to convey a more appropriate air of finality. Expired is OK as a synonym for dead, but there is no thesaurus anywhere in the world that will suggest it as an antonym for visible. OK, so we need new terminology and we need it to be used consistenly in our documentation, whatever we choose. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDBhttp://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 23:12, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: I'm not really convinced that Bruce's proposed names seem any better to me. What's wrong with dead and live? In my mind, visible really means visible to anyone, and expired means visible to no one. Um ... surely, visibility is in the eye of the beholder (no smiley). I don't have an immediate suggestion for better terminology, but IMHO the whole point of visible/invisible terminology is that it depends on who's looking. Dead and live seem to convey a more appropriate air of finality. Expired is OK as a synonym for dead, but there is no thesaurus anywhere in the world that will suggest it as an antonym for visible. OK, so we need new terminology and we need it to be used consistenly in our documentation, whatever we choose. The current terminology of live and dead is already used in many places in the documentation and in userspace; mostly around the need for maintainance of dead tuples within tables, reindex cleaning up dead pages, and even in the vacuum commands output (n dead tuples cannot be removed yet). Given this patch came from userland, istm people are comfortable enough with this terminology there is no need to change it. -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Patch(es) to expose n_live_tuples and
The current terminology of live and dead is already used in many places in the documentation and in userspace; mostly around the need for maintainance of dead tuples within tables, reindex cleaning up dead pages, and even in the vacuum commands output (n dead tuples cannot be removed yet). Given this patch came from userland, istm people are comfortable enough with this terminology there is no need to change it. +1 -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly