Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 01:37 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
 As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates
 of the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
 wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th. 

Can we also specify a final release version for 8.2? This set will be
8.2.21, and I propose to EOL 8.2 as of 8.2.22.

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
 As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates of
 the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
 wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.

8.2 up, including 9.1.1? I'm not sure our QA guys will be able to cope
with verification of so many individual installers in that timeframe -
8.2 - 9.0 is hard enough to do in one go.

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Andrew Dunstan



On 09/20/2011 02:46 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:

On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 01:37 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:

As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates
of the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.

Can we also specify a final release version for 8.2? This set will be
8.2.21, and I propose to EOL 8.2 as of 8.2.22.




I don't see why we should deviate from the policy at 
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Release_Support_Policy. In 
all probability, that means there will be one more release for 8.2 after 
this, but I don't think we need to determine that now.


cheers

andrew

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes:
 On 09/20/2011 02:46 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:
 Can we also specify a final release version for 8.2? This set will be
 8.2.21, and I propose to EOL 8.2 as of 8.2.22.

 I don't see why we should deviate from the policy at 
 http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Release_Support_Policy. In 
 all probability, that means there will be one more release for 8.2 after 
 this, but I don't think we need to determine that now.

Per that policy, there will certainly be at least one more 8.2.x
release, namely the first one after December 2011.  There could be
more than one, if we are pressed into making a set of releases between
now and December.

I don't think we've yet decided what the policy means if a release
happens during the stated calendar month, which seems rather likely
this time around in view of our historical record of doing updates
roughly quarterly.  Should we settle that detail now?  That is,
does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
really mean after?

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Andrew Dunstan



On 09/20/2011 10:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:


I don't think we've yet decided what the policy means if a release
happens during the stated calendar month, which seems rather likely
this time around in view of our historical record of doing updates
roughly quarterly.  Should we settle that detail now?  That is,
does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
really mean after?




If we really want to get that specific, let's just say that the EOL date 
is at the end of the designated month.


cheers

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Dave Page
2011/9/20 Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net:


 On 09/20/2011 10:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:

 I don't think we've yet decided what the policy means if a release
 happens during the stated calendar month, which seems rather likely
 this time around in view of our historical record of doing updates
 roughly quarterly.  Should we settle that detail now?  That is,
 does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
 really mean after?



 If we really want to get that specific, let's just say that the EOL date is
 at the end of the designated month.

+1


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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Tom Lane
Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
 2011/9/20 Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net:
 On 09/20/2011 10:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
 does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
 really mean after?

 If we really want to get that specific, let's just say that the EOL date is
 at the end of the designated month.

 +1

OK, so after really means after, ie, the last 8.2.x release will be
timestamped 2012-something.  Fine with me.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Dave Page
2011/9/20 Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us:
 Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
 2011/9/20 Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net:
 On 09/20/2011 10:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
 does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
 really mean after?

 If we really want to get that specific, let's just say that the EOL date is
 at the end of the designated month.

 +1

 OK, so after really means after, ie, the last 8.2.x release will be
 timestamped 2012-something.  Fine with me.

It's unfortunate, but it seems to me it's the only interpretation that
doesn't risk taking someone by surprise.

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Tom Lane
Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
 As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates of
 the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
 wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.

 8.2 up, including 9.1.1? I'm not sure our QA guys will be able to cope
 with verification of so many individual installers in that timeframe -
 8.2 - 9.0 is hard enough to do in one go.

Well, all the pre-9.1 branches are definitely badly in need of updates.
9.1 maybe could go without at this point, but we do have one crasher bug
and one serious memory leak fixed there, neither new in 9.1.  I'd just
as soon not establish a precedent for not releasing the same fixes at
the same time in all branches.

How about we wrap them all, but you could let your team slip the 9.1
update for a day or so if they need more time?  It's certainly less
critical than the older branches.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
 Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
 As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates of
 the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
 wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.

 8.2 up, including 9.1.1? I'm not sure our QA guys will be able to cope
 with verification of so many individual installers in that timeframe -
 8.2 - 9.0 is hard enough to do in one go.

 Well, all the pre-9.1 branches are definitely badly in need of updates.
 9.1 maybe could go without at this point, but we do have one crasher bug
 and one serious memory leak fixed there, neither new in 9.1.  I'd just
 as soon not establish a precedent for not releasing the same fixes at
 the same time in all branches.

 How about we wrap them all, but you could let your team slip the 9.1
 update for a day or so if they need more time?  It's certainly less
 critical than the older branches.

OK, well we can push the installers much more quickly over the CDN anyway.

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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Darren Duncan

Tom Lane wrote:

Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:

As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates of
the back branches. �Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.



8.2 up, including 9.1.1? I'm not sure our QA guys will be able to cope
with verification of so many individual installers in that timeframe -
8.2 - 9.0 is hard enough to do in one go.


Well, all the pre-9.1 branches are definitely badly in need of updates.
9.1 maybe could go without at this point, but we do have one crasher bug
and one serious memory leak fixed there, neither new in 9.1.  I'd just
as soon not establish a precedent for not releasing the same fixes at
the same time in all branches.

How about we wrap them all, but you could let your team slip the 9.1
update for a day or so if they need more time?  It's certainly less
critical than the older branches.


I would prefer that all branches have synchronized patch releases as they seem 
to have had in the past, and that the latest production is included, 9.1.1 in 
this case, even if its change set is more minor. -- Darren Duncan


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Re: [HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-20 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-09-20 at 10:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
 I don't think we've yet decided what the policy means if a release
 happens during the stated calendar month, which seems rather likely
 this time around in view of our historical record of doing updates
 roughly quarterly.  Should we settle that detail now?  That is,
 does after December really mean in or after December, or did we
 really mean after?

The policy states that we will support branches until that time, which
should reasonably include the whole time period stated.  That is, 8.2 is
supported until December 31.

But it does not say that we are obliged to make another release after
the EOL with all the patches that have accumulated between the previous
release and the EOL.  And it certainly does not say that we are obliged
to keep patching after EOL until that next release happens.  It does say
that that would normally happen, but it doesn't have to.  Previously,
we have argued that we should make another release because the previous
patching effort would otherwise have been wasted.  Maybe so.  But let's
keep this in perspective.  If we made another release on December 13, we
shouldn't have to keep patching after that, unless there is an
emergency.


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[HACKERS] Back-branch releases upcoming this week

2011-09-19 Thread Tom Lane
As has been mentioned a couple times, we're well overdue for updates of
the back branches.  Seems like time to get that done, so we'll be
wrapping 8.2.x and up this Thursday for release Monday the 26th.

regards, tom lane

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