Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-27 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Dave Page wrote: I have now moved the wiki installation to: http://developer.postgresql.org/ BTW: I am wondering if there is an RSS feed of the changes? On my wiki I have an RSS feed for every page, subwiki (aka area) and the entire wiki people can subscribe to:

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-27 Thread Jeremy Drake
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Dave Page wrote: I have now moved the wiki installation to: http://developer.postgresql.org/ BTW: I am wondering if there is an RSS feed of the changes? On my wiki I have an RSS feed for every page, subwiki (aka area) and the entire wiki

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-27 Thread Magnus Hagander
I have now moved the wiki installation to: http://developer.postgresql.org/ BTW: I am wondering if there is an RSS feed of the changes? There is. http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchangesfe ed=rss //Magnus ---(end of

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-20 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Martijn, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: 2. I can see the official todo list being in CVS, which gives it all the access protection it needs. A wiki todo list can stay where it is, just that it's not official. [I've just made a reference to the TODO list in CVS from the wiki, that

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-20 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 12:28:54PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Maybe you should rename the public writable Wiki page list to Wishlist instead of Todo, to make the difference more explicit. Hmm, all the stuff there now does refer to things that are on the TODO list (I think). So it's not

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-18 Thread Jim Nasby
Ok, so what is it you need help with? On Sep 18, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:32:13PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Tom proposed a modest roadmap type experiment a week or so ago. I'd like to see that pursued. After all, we know of

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-18 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Jim Nasby wrote: Ok, so what is it you need help with? see previous discussion about what is required to keep a tracker system healthy. In particular: . items appearing in other media need to be put in the tracker . items entered in the tracker need to be regularly triaged, reviewed and

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 09:15:24PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory Stark wrote: A TODO list people can freely add stuff to is precisely what would make it useful. It would have things we don't already know. I am just going to hope that you are

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
The wiki has been sitting there for two weeks and hasn't had any problems. Uh, you mean apart from the fact that it took very little time (days, IIRC) before we had people writing attempts at user documentation, somthing that we already have *two* different systems (interactive docs + new

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
Techdocs is a different problem all together. Josh has already mentioned some problems with it. I can mention more. [warning: thread hi-jack] 1. It isn't easy to login Really? You're kidding, right? You click a link that requires login, and you get a browser login box. How much easier can

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
Two points I'm not clear about on this thread though: 1. Authorized user: is that someone with an account, or someone who has been authorized by someone else? IIRC, the idea was someone with an account. Basically you add a (very very small) hurdle so you only get the people who actually

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 03:09:29PM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: The wiki has been sitting there for two weeks and hasn't had any problems. Uh, you mean apart from the fact that it took very little time (days, IIRC) before we had people writing attempts at user documentation, snip

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
The wiki has been sitting there for two weeks and hasn't had any problems. Uh, you mean apart from the fact that it took very little time (days, IIRC) before we had people writing attempts at user documentation, snip Really? Where was that? Did it get deleted in the meantime?

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
1. Authorized user: is that someone with an account, or someone who has been authorized by someone else? In my mind it is someone who without threw a process of email confirmation. Just to help stave off the amount of trolling that may happen. Joshua D. Drake 2. I can see the official

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
1. It isn't easy to login Really? You're kidding, right? You click a link that requires login, and you get a browser login box. How much easier can it be? What URL are you talking about? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs Where do I click login? Where do I click create account? Where

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Magnus Hagander wrote: Two points I'm not clear about on this thread though: 1. Authorized user: is that someone with an account, or someone who has been authorized by someone else? IIRC, the idea was someone with an account. Basically you add a (very very small) hurdle so you only get the

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Gregory Stark
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Authorized user: is that someone with an account, or someone who has been authorized by someone else? In my mind it is someone who without threw a process of email confirmation. Just to help stave off the amount of trolling that may happen. I

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
1. It isn't easy to login Really? You're kidding, right? You click a link that requires login, and you get a browser login box. How much easier can it be? What URL are you talking about? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs Yes. Where do I click login? Where do I click

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Dave Page
-hackers@postgresql.org pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Sent: 17/09/06 14:22 Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki Dave took it off when he moved the wiki to it's correct place (being developer.postgresql.org) I left it there, but un-linked from the frontpage in this case

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Gregory Stark wrote: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Authorized user: is that someone with an account, or someone who has been authorized by someone else? In my mind it is someone who without threw a process of email confirmation. Just to help stave off the amount of trolling

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Md.Abdul Aziz
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: Hi, Greg, I think the lessons of wikipedia is precisely that you *don't* want to add such barriers. You want to let people add stuff pretty much freely. That encourages people to get involved and put up information. The other lesson of Wikipedia is

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Tom Lane
Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org writes: On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 09:15:24PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Fortunately, none of the real developers would have to pay any attention to any such page ... and you can bet they wouldn't. If someone wants to spend an afternoon putting up a coherent

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org writes: On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 09:15:24PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Fortunately, none of the real developers would have to pay any attention to any such page ... and you can bet they wouldn't. If someone wants to

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tom proposed a modest roadmap type experiment a week or so ago. I'd like to see that pursued. After all, we know of some things that are at least at first cut stage for 8.3, and a few things high on may people's agenda. I'd also like to see some work done on using a tracker (for features as

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:32:13PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Tom proposed a modest roadmap type experiment a week or so ago. I'd like to see that pursued. After all, we know of some things that are at least at first cut stage for 8.3, and a few things high on may people's agenda. I'd

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:32:13PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Tom proposed a modest roadmap type experiment a week or so ago. I'd like to see that pursued. After all, we know of some things that are at least at first cut stage for 8.3, and a few things high on may

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Josh Berkus
Martjin, I was actually hoping for more feedback on the content itself. I'm still not clear if it's supposed to be developers only - to the exclusion of users or developers only - but accessable to anyone. It should be readable by everyone, but editable only by authorized users. -- Josh

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Gregory Stark
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I was actually hoping for more feedback on the content itself. I'm still not clear if it's supposed to be developers only - to the exclusion of users or developers only - but accessable to anyone. It should be readable by everyone, but editable only by

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Josh Berkus
Greg, I think the lessons of wikipedia is precisely that you *don't* want to add such barriers. You want to let people add stuff pretty much freely. That encourages people to get involved and put up information. The other lesson of Wikipedia is that maintaining wiki quality for a generally

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Gregory Stark wrote: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I was actually hoping for more feedback on the content itself. I'm still not clear if it's supposed to be developers only - to the exclusion of users or developers only - but accessable to anyone. It should be readable by everyone,

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Gregory Stark
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: The other lesson of Wikipedia is that maintaining wiki quality for a generally editable wiki requires a full-time dedicated staff. We don't even have any volunteers who have 4 hours/week to commit to cleaning up the wiki, unless you're

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Gregory Stark wrote: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: The other lesson of Wikipedia is that maintaining wiki quality for a generally editable wiki requires a full-time dedicated staff. We don't even have any volunteers who have 4 hours/week to commit to cleaning up the wiki, unless

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-16 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory Stark wrote: A TODO list people can freely add stuff to is precisely what would make it useful. It would have things we don't already know. I am just going to hope that you are kidding about this one. Fortunately, none of the real developers

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-04 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 08:30:13PM -0700, Neil Conway wrote: Martijn van Oosterhout said: Ok, it looks like pages can be arranged hierarchically. Well, a prefix like Todo: is not the incantation one needs to use to arrange pages in hierarchies. You probably want / to indicate a subpage:

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:46:12PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Sounds reasonable to me. Ok, I've typed some stuff in here: http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:Contents http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:Collate Is this the kind of thing people are expecting? Have a nice

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-03 Thread Neil Conway
Martijn van Oosterhout said: Ok, it looks like pages can be arranged hierarchically. Well, a prefix like Todo: is not the incantation one needs to use to arrange pages in hierarchies. You probably want / to indicate a subpage: i.e. Parent/Child. See

[HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-02 Thread Dave Page
I have now moved the wiki installation to: http://developer.postgresql.org/ Where it is currently available for use by any hackers for non-end-user related activities. I haven't changed Greg's original configuration at all so it is still open for use by anyone at present, however I have added an

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-02 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:33:41PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: I have now moved the wiki installation to: http://developer.postgresql.org/ Ok, it looks like pages can be arranged hierarchically. It would seems like pages named: Todo:todo topic would be a good idea for detailed info on todo

Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki

2006-09-02 Thread Dave Page
Sounds reasonable to me. Regards, Dave -Original Message- From: Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org To: Dave Page dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; PostgreSQL WWW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/09/06 23:08 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Developer's Wiki On Sat, Sep 02