Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-03 Thread Heikki Linnakangas

On 03.12.2010 03:55, Fujii Masao wrote:

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Euler Taveira de Oliveira
eu...@timbira.com  wrote:

As you said, there are platforms that a signal doesn't wake up a
process, so I suggest (ii) but I'm fine to include (i) at docs too.


Can we use pg_ctl kill to send signal on such platforms?


It won't make a difference, pg_ctl kill sends the signal just like 
regular kill. Except that pg_ctl kill also works on Windows which 
doesn't have the concept of Unix signals.


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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-02 Thread aaliya zarrin
Hey!1
I am able to change the switch over time.. Thanks alot..
2010/12/2 aaliya zarrin aaliya.zar...@gmail.com

 Ok.. Thanks I will try!!!

 2010/12/2 Heikki Linnakangas heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com

 Oh, and there's another value for the case we're polling the archive, not
 streaming from master. Search for 5 in XLogPageRead function to catch them
 all.


 On 02.12.2010 08:21, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:

 It's the 500L argument in the WaitLatch call. It's expressed in
 microseconds.

 On 02.12.2010 06:39, aaliya zarrin wrote:

 Where this 5 Seconds time is defined in the code ???



 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Heikki Linnakangas
 heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:

 On 01.12.2010 13:27, aaliya zarrin wrote:

 I want to know how frequently postgres search for trigger file to
 switch
 over.


 In 9.0, every 100ms while streaming replication is active and
 connected. 5
 seconds otherwise. In current git master branch, it's always 5 s.


 Can this switch over time be reduced?



 Not without hacking the sources and compiling.

 Although, on many platforms, Linux included I believe, sending a
 signal to
 the startup process should wake it up from the sleep and make it
 check the
 trigger file immediately. pg_ctl reload for example should do it.
 So if
 ıou send a signal to the startup process immediately after creating the
 trigger file, it should take notice sooner.


 Plz let me know where postgres poll for trigger file. I could find it
 out

 in
 backend/access/trans/xlog.c ? am i right?


 Yes. search for callers of CheckForStandbyTrigger() function.


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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-02 Thread Fujii Masao
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Euler Taveira de Oliveira
eu...@timbira.com wrote:
 As you said, there are platforms that a signal doesn't wake up a
 process, so I suggest (ii) but I'm fine to include (i) at docs too.

Can we use pg_ctl kill to send signal on such platforms?

Regards,

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[HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-01 Thread aaliya zarrin
Hi All,
I am new to postgres.
I want to know how frequently postgres search for trigger file to switch
over.
Can this switch over time be reduced?
Plz let me know where postgres poll for trigger file. I could find it out in
backend/access/trans/xlog.c ? am i right?



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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-01 Thread Heikki Linnakangas

On 01.12.2010 13:27, aaliya zarrin wrote:

I want to know how frequently postgres search for trigger file to switch
over.


In 9.0, every 100ms while streaming replication is active and connected. 
5 seconds otherwise. In current git master branch, it's always 5 s.



Can this switch over time be reduced?


Not without hacking the sources and compiling.

Although, on many platforms, Linux included I believe, sending a signal 
to the startup process should wake it up from the sleep and make it 
check the trigger file immediately. pg_ctl reload for example should 
do it. So if ýou send a signal to the startup process immediately after 
creating the trigger file, it should take notice sooner.



Plz let me know where postgres poll for trigger file. I could find it out in
backend/access/trans/xlog.c ? am i right?


Yes. search for callers of CheckForStandbyTrigger() function.


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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-01 Thread Euler Taveira de Oliveira
Heikki Linnakangas escreveu:
 On 01.12.2010 13:27, aaliya zarrin wrote:
 I want to know how frequently postgres search for trigger file to switch
 over.
 
 In 9.0, every 100ms while streaming replication is active and connected.
 5 seconds otherwise. In current git master branch, it's always 5 s.
 
 Can this switch over time be reduced?
 
 Not without hacking the sources and compiling.
 
 Although, on many platforms, Linux included I believe, sending a signal
 to the startup process should wake it up from the sleep and make it
 check the trigger file immediately. pg_ctl reload for example should
 do it. So if ýou send a signal to the startup process immediately after
 creating the trigger file, it should take notice sooner.
 
Isn't it an ugly solution for stopping the replication immediately? At the top
of my head, I don't remember the reason for not turn the interval for pooling
trigger file into a configurable option. IMHO, high availability fits into
those cases (switchover immediately).

[poking the git history a little...]

I agree the a short polling interval is not energy efficient [1] but some
scenarios need this short interval. So if we want to stop the replication
immediately, we have two options: (i) advertise that we need to signal the
postmaster after creating a trigger file or (ii) made the pooling interval
configurable. As you said, there are platforms that a signal doesn't wake up a
process, so I suggest (ii) but I'm fine to include (i) at docs too.

Comments?


[1]
http://git.postgresql.org/gitweb?p=postgresql.git;a=commitdiff;h=723d0184e2972f21db0f85feef3d35f0cb9b3298


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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-01 Thread aaliya zarrin
Thanks for quick response..
Can I change this 5 second time?
I have seen the postgres code as well.
What is the functionality of WaitLatch() function. I could not understand
completely.
Plz help..

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Heikki Linnakangas 
heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:

 On 01.12.2010 13:27, aaliya zarrin wrote:

 I want to know how frequently postgres search for trigger file to switch
 over.


 In 9.0, every 100ms while streaming replication is active and connected. 5
 seconds otherwise. In current git master branch, it's always 5 s.


  Can this switch over time be reduced?


 Not without hacking the sources and compiling.

 Although, on many platforms, Linux included I believe, sending a signal to
 the startup process should wake it up from the sleep and make it check the
 trigger file immediately. pg_ctl reload for example should do it. So if
 ıou send a signal to the startup process immediately after creating the
 trigger file, it should take notice sooner.


  Plz let me know where postgres poll for trigger file. I could find it out
 in
 backend/access/trans/xlog.c ? am i right?


 Yes. search for callers of CheckForStandbyTrigger() function.


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Re: [HACKERS] Hi- How frequently Postgres Poll for trigger file

2010-12-01 Thread Heikki Linnakangas

On 01.12.2010 19:23, aaliya zarrin wrote:

Thanks for quick response..
Can I change this 5 second time?
I have seen the postgres code as well.


You can, if you don't mind changing the sources.


What is the functionality of WaitLatch() function. I could not understand
completely.


The recoveryWakupLatch latch allows the startup process to wake up 
immediately when new WAL arrives via streaming replication, without 
waiting for the whole five seconds to elapse.


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