Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread David Walker
>./configure --with-perl --with-dblink --with-newsysviews This would make installing and upgrading BSD ports easier. David ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, >     * Move some things from /contrib into main tree >     * Move some /contrib modules out to their own project sites A contrib shuffle is on my personal TODO list. Look for a list in a couple weeks. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco ---(

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Andreas Pflug
Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, now i'm confused ... what are you looking at here, in contrib, as being 'admintools'? Right now, anything in contrib is 'add-on' anyway, so they'd still be as confused, I'd think ... Well at least it would be contained in the full tarball, not coming from a 3rd site

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Andreas Pflug wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: ... but stuff like admintools should be on pgfoundry ... This is a quite *ix centric attitude. Please note that probably >90 % of win32 installations have them installed by default (from the win32 installer). People moving to Linux

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Andreas Pflug
Marc G. Fournier wrote: ... but stuff like admintools should be on pgfoundry ... This is a quite *ix centric attitude. Please note that probably >90 % of win32 installations have them installed by default (from the win32 installer). People moving to Linux because they need better performance (wh

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andrew Dunstan wrote: First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys "unsupported" to people. And that's exactly what it is supposed to mean. We say, these modules do not

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andrew Dunstan wrote: First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys "unsupported" to people. And that's exactly what it is supposed to mean. We say, these modules do not necessarily meet our stan

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Douglas McNaught
Russell Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suppose the question is, at what point are contrib modules > re-reviewed for inclusion into core? And if they are continuing not > to make it, is there something else that should be done with them? Basically, if someone wants a contrib module in core

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-12 Thread Russell Smith
On Thu, 12 May 2005 02:44 pm, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >> First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys > >> "unsupported" to people. > [snip] > Which is as it should be, I think. Contrib is essentially the

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, > On re-reading the thread, I'm more than a bit confused by this response. > I thought you were suggesting that the top-level configure should have > a simple option that says "please build and install all the contrib > modules while you are at it". ÂRight now that requires a separate step >

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andrew Dunstan wrote: >> First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys >> "unsupported" to people. > And that's exactly what it is supposed to mean. We say, these modules > do not necessarily meet our standards with regard to c

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus writes: > Peter, >> I don't see how this makes it any more user friendly or easier on >> package builders. Is your aim to make building contrib more accessible >> or building only specific contrib modules more accessible? > Building specific contrib modules. On re-reading the thread,

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Josh Berkus
Peter, > I don't see how this makes it any more user friendly or easier on > package builders.  Is your aim to make building contrib more accessible > or building only specific contrib modules more accessible? Building specific contrib modules. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions Sa

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Josh Berkus wrote: > What if we could build contrib modules through a build-time switch > for PostgreSQL? Like, > > ./configure --with-perl --with-dblink --with-newsysviews > > This would seem a *lot* more user friendly to me, and easier on the > package builders. What's the technical obstacle t

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Andrew Dunstan wrote: > First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys > "unsupported" to people. And that's exactly what it is supposed to mean. We say, these modules do not necessarily meet our standards with regard to code quality, portability, user interfaces, internati

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Josh Berkus wrote: What if we could build contrib modules through a build-time switch for PostgreSQL? Like, I honestly don't see that it buys a lot. (and the technical obstacle is that there's a maintenance cost, if n

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josh Berkus wrote: >>What if we could build contrib modules through a build-time switch for >>PostgreSQL? Like, > I honestly don't see that it buys a lot. (and the technical obstacle is > that there's a maintenance cost, if nothing else). I'm with

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 02:55:46PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > > First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys > > "unsupported" to people. Maybe we should call it "modules" or something > > like that. > Agreed. Ditto > > I honestly don't see that it buys a lot. (and the tech

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: I could see --with-contrib but other than that... there are ALOT of packages in contrib. I'm not configure expert, but I think it wouldn't be hard to do something like --with-contrib='module1 module2 module3'. I

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, > First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys > "unsupported" to people. Maybe we should call it "modules" or something > like that. Agreed. > I honestly don't see that it buys a lot. (and the technical obstacle is > that there's a maintenance cost, if nothing els

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Folks, Hey, I can see a way for /contrib to become a lot better option for stuff-we're-not-sure-whether-to-include. First, I *really* wish we'd call it something else. Contrib conveys "unsupported" to people. Maybe we should call it "modules" or something like that. What

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I could see --with-contrib but other than that... there are ALOT of > packages in contrib. I'm not configure expert, but I think it wouldn't be hard to do something like --with-contrib='module1 module2 module3'. I believe there's

Re: [HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Josh Berkus wrote: Folks, Hey, I can see a way for /contrib to become a lot better option for stuff-we're-not-sure-whether-to-include. What if we could build contrib modules through a build-time switch for PostgreSQL? Like, ./configure --with-perl --with-dblink --with-newsysviews This would

[HACKERS] New Contrib Build?

2005-05-11 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, Hey, I can see a way for /contrib to become a lot better option for stuff-we're-not-sure-whether-to-include. What if we could build contrib modules through a build-time switch for PostgreSQL? Like, ./configure --with-perl --with-dblink --with-newsysviews This would seem a *lot* mor