Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Dave Page
Decibel! wrote: Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a hard requirement seems like overkill. Security out of the box. There

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:02:49AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Decibel! wrote: Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a hard

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Dave Page
Decibel! wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:02:49AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Decibel! wrote: Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Decibel! wrote: Is there something insecure about using ident sameuser for localhost authentication on Windows? FWIW, I never advise people to use ident auth for postgres except on local (a.k.a. Unix domain socket) connections, which don't exist on Windows. cheers andrew

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Decibel! wrote: Is there something insecure about using ident sameuser for localhost authentication on Windows? FWIW, I never advise people to use ident auth for postgres except on local (a.k.a. Unix domain socket)

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: Is it easy to spoof where an incoming connection request is coming from? Is there something else that makes ident on 127.0.0.1/32 insecure? It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to spoof. If someone can

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Gregory Stark
Andrew Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: Is it easy to spoof where an incoming connection request is coming from? Is there something else that makes ident on 127.0.0.1/32 insecure? It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 07:07:40PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to spoof. Say what? It's actually quite easy to spoof TCP. There are even command-line tools to do it available in most Unix distributions. Sorry, I should have

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Decibel!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 02:38:25PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Indeed, I would argue that, for industrial-class data centre use, if you can't use ident between machines, your network security is in very bad shape. (That isn't to say I think it's a good idea; but rather, that I hope the

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Gregory Stark
Andrew Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 07:07:40PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: It shouldn't be easy. Ident uses TCP, which is rather harder to spoof. Say what? It's actually quite easy to spoof TCP. There are even command-line tools to do it available in

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 02:12:03PM -0500, Decibel! wrote: ISTM that if someone breaches your network to the point where they can spoof identd, you're pretty much hosed anyway; so what's the point of hard-coding passwords in a config file somewhere then? True. I personally prefer cryptographic

Re: [HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-31 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:20:20PM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: Except note that ident is, like X, precisely the kind of protocol where the handshake matters least. Since you all the relevant data comes early in the message you can fire the SYN and the ACK (with the predicted sequence number)

[HACKERS] Password requirement in windows installer

2007-08-30 Thread Decibel!
Why does the windows installer require a password for the superuser account, since it's perfectly legitimate not to have a password on that account? I could see perhaps producing a warning, but making this a hard requirement seems like overkill. -- Decibel!, aka Jim Nasby