Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-28 Thread Marko Kreen
On 5/7/08, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, what is the actual size limit on hackers vs patches. They do have different size limits; we'd have to raise the limit on -hackers if we do this. Marc would know exactly what the limits

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Try now, just raised it to the same as -patches (100k) ... - --On Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:59:18 +0300 Marko Kreen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/08, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-06-27 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: ... * no permanent archive of the submitted patch * reviewer won't know if the submitter changes the patch after he downloads a copy, and in fact nobody will ever know unless the submitter takes the time to compare the eventual commit to what he thinks

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Gregory Stark napsal(a): Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The thing is that we don't just want to track patches. We want to talk

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Gregory Stark
Zdenek Kotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory Stark napsal(a): Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The thing is that we don't just

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Gregory Stark napsal(a): Zdenek Kotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory Stark napsal(a): Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-10 Thread David Fetter
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:55:57AM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: Zdenek Kotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory Stark napsal(a): Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-08 Thread Josh Berkus
Matt, Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best.  Do people really still think that the potential for larger messages is really a problem?   Well, I for one would need to change my subscription address. This

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-08 Thread Gregory Stark
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about hacking together a simple patch tracker instead, as Bruce suggested? I've never found e-mail to be a particularly good way to track patches. The thing is that we don't just want to track patches. We want to talk about patches. In my ideal

[HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, please post just the patch to patches and a summary to hackers. Or better yet, have a URL to the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a stable URL where they can keep updating the content. I did that with the psql wrap patch and it helped me.

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a stable URL where they can keep updating the content. I did that with the psql wrap patch and it

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a stable URL where they can keep updating the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Brendan Jurd wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where people who don't run their own servers to store their patches at a stable URL where

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Bruce Momjian wrote: Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, please post just the patch to patches and a summary to hackers. Or better

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brendan Jurd wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be helpful for us to provide an infrastructure where people who

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Magnus Hagander wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Folks, can we avoid posting an email to both hackers and patches lists? I understand why people do it, but it is best avoided, I think. If you feel the need to keep patch discussion on hackers, please post just the patch to patches and a

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen Frost
* Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What?! Did you just propose a patch tracker? Bruce? Hmm. I think I need to get a new email client, because this one clearly corrupts the emails I receive ;) If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is wonderful

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: Right, I was assuming once the patch was uploaded it would be to our infrastructure and would be permanent. Heck, I dont think patch submitters really care. And Ill do whatever is in the dev faq. But Its a heck of a lot easier (for me) just to send them in email.

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Matthew T. O'connor
Alex Hunsaker wrote: In fact I would argue -patches should go away so we dont have that split. +1I think the main argument for the split is to keep the large patch emails off the hackers list, but I don't think that limit is so high that it's a problem. People have to gzip their patches

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Stephen Frost wrote: * Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What?! Did you just propose a patch tracker? Bruce? Hmm. I think I need to get a new email client, because this one clearly corrupts the emails I receive ;) If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Hunsaker wrote: Plus it seems awkward to move a discussion thats taking place on -hackers over to patches... Granted I could post to patches first, wait an hour then send an email to hackers/reviewer and say

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion and say well, here is what I was thinking. Sending it to -patches first waiting for it to hit the archive so I can link to it in my

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Matthew T. O'connor
Alex Hunsaker wrote: A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion and say well, here is what I was thinking. Sending it to -patches first waiting for it to hit the archive so I can link to it in my

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Tom Lane
Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really still think that the potential for larger messages is really a problem? Personally I'd be fine with

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I'd go further than that. Patches ARE conversation about development, they are just in C rather than English. Having one list for the parts of the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
* Alex Hunsaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080507 11:38]: A big part of my problem with the split is if there is a discussion taking place on -hackers I want to be able to reply to the discussion and say well, here is what I was thinking. Sending it to -patches first waiting for it to hit the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane wrote: Personally I'd be fine with abandoning -patches and just using -hackers. We could try it for awhile, anyway, and go back if it seems worse. I'd be good with that. The split never made much sense for me. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really still think that the potential for larger

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Gregory Stark
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really still think that the potential for larger messages is really a problem?

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
David Fetter wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Matthew T. O'connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patches are an integral part of the conversation about development, I think trying to split them up is awkward at best. Do people really still think that the

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Fetter wrote: This would make it a little tougher on me as far as maintaining the patches section of the PostgreSQL Weekly News, but I'll deal with it if I need to :) Yes, it is going to make scooping patches

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alex Hunsaker wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Fetter wrote: This would make it a little tougher on me as far as maintaining the patches section of the PostgreSQL Weekly News, but I'll deal with it if I need to :) Yes, it is

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Gregory Stark
Alex Hunsaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure but if patch submitters are also sticking them in the wiki maybe this is a non issue? We could also adopt the seemingly standard [PATCH] subject tag so you can filter easily for patches... Hm, I wonder how hard it would be to make a perl script

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Posting to hackers and patches lists [OT]

2008-05-07 Thread steve layland
and thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.05.07 @ 16:23]: Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:18:48 -0400 From: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want an email and web-based tracking system, RT is wonderful (http://bestpractical.com/rt/)... STOP! Sorry for biting... I just couldn't read RT and

Re: [HACKERS] Posting to hackers and patches lists

2008-05-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Gregory Stark wrote: Alex Hunsaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure but if patch submitters are also sticking them in the wiki maybe this is a non issue? We could also adopt the seemingly standard [PATCH] subject tag so you can filter easily for patches... Hm, I wonder how hard it