Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Grittner
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: if a write happens in both the first and second half of a second, While I'm not sure whether I believe that granularity is really to the nanosecond, a stat of a table in a production database on xfs shows this: Modify: 2012-07-24 10:15:44.096415501

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-15 Thread Cédric Villemain
Le dimanche 15 juillet 2012 07:02:01, Stephen Frost a écrit : Bruce, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 09:17:22PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: So, can you explain which case you're specifically worried about? OK. The basic problem is that I previously

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
Bruce, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: If two writes happens in the middle of a file in the same second, it seems one might be missed. Yes, I suppose the WAL does fix that during replay, though if both servers were shut down cleanly, WAL would not be replayed. If you using it

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-14 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 09:17:22PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: Bruce, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: If two writes happens in the middle of a file in the same second, it seems one might be missed. Yes, I suppose the WAL does fix that during replay, though if both servers were

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
Bruce, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 09:17:22PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: So, can you explain which case you're specifically worried about? OK. The basic problem is that I previously was not clear about how reliant our use of rsync (without

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 08:00:48PM -0700, David Kerr wrote: On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Rsync is popular with Postgres users, but I don't understand how they are using the default check mode (file size, modification time) to synchronize shut-down data directories?

[HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
Rsync is popular with Postgres users, but I don't understand how they are using the default check mode (file size, modification time) to synchronize shut-down data directories? It seems they would have to use --checksum because it is too easy for files to change in the same second, and for a

Re: [HACKERS] Use of rsync for data directory copying

2012-07-09 Thread David Kerr
On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Rsync is popular with Postgres users, but I don't understand how they are using the default check mode (file size, modification time) to synchronize shut-down data directories? It seems they would have to use --checksum because it is too easy