Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-06-04 Thread Avinash Kumar
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:45 PM Robert Haas wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:20 PM Tom Lane wrote: > > Robert Haas writes: > > > As has already been pointed out, it could definitely happen, but we > > > could solve that by just using a longer version number, say, including > > > the month and,

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-06-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:20 PM Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > As has already been pointed out, it could definitely happen, but we > > could solve that by just using a longer version number, say, including > > the month and, in case we ever do multiple major releases in the same > >

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-06-01 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas writes: > As has already been pointed out, it could definitely happen, but we > could solve that by just using a longer version number, say, including > the month and, in case we ever do multiple major releases in the same > month, also the day. In fact, we might as well take it one

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-06-01 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:25 AM Juan José Santamaría Flecha wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:47 PM Tom Lane wrote: >> Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But >> my own principal concern about this mirrors what somebody else already >> pointed out: the

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-05-28 Thread Jiří Fejfar
On 26.05.2020 3:55, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:05:09AM +0200, Jiří Fejfar wrote: On 15.02.2020 1:18, Tom Lane wrote: The idea that 13 is unlucky is Western, and maybe even only common in English-speaking countries. Number 13 (especially Friday 13) is also considered

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-05-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:05:09AM +0200, Jiří Fejfar wrote: > On 15.02.2020 1:18, Tom Lane wrote: > > The idea that 13 is unlucky is Western, and maybe even only common in > > English-speaking countries. > > Number 13 (especially Friday 13) is also considered unlucky In Czech > republic (central

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-05-25 Thread Wolfgang Wilhelm
Please don't take personal but when you open a discussion like that on number 13 then you are doing something very christian centric and forget the rest of the world. As there are more cultural spheres than the christian one on this planet can you please elaborate the next number which is

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-05-25 Thread Jiří Fejfar
On 15.02.2020 1:18, Tom Lane wrote: The idea that 13 is unlucky is Western, and maybe even only common in English-speaking countries. Number 13 (especially Friday 13) is also considered unlucky In Czech republic (central Europe, Slavic language). -- Jiří.

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-03-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:38:19PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 02:52:53PM +0100, Andreas Karlsson wrote: > > On 2/12/20 12:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > marcelo zen escribió: > > > > I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and > > > >

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-15 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:19 PM Tom Lane wrote: > > Andrew Dunstan writes: > > I also object because 20 is *my* unlucky number ... > > Not sure how serious Andrew is being here, but it does open up an > important point: there are varying opinions on which numbers are unlucky. > The idea that 13

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-14 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:34 PM Andrew Dunstan wrote: > I also object because 20 is *my* unlucky number ... I don't think we're going to do this, so you don't have to worry on that score. -- Peter Geoghegan

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-14 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 4:19 PM Tom Lane wrote: > Not sure how serious Andrew is being here, but it does open up an > important point: there are varying opinions on which numbers are unlucky. > The idea that 13 is unlucky is Western, and maybe even only common in > English-speaking countries. I

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-14 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan writes: > I also object because 20 is *my* unlucky number ... Not sure how serious Andrew is being here, but it does open up an important point: there are varying opinions on which numbers are unlucky. The idea that 13 is unlucky is Western, and maybe even only common in

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-13 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:14 PM Michael Paquier wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 09:46:48AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But > > my own principal concern about this mirrors what somebody else already > > pointed out: the

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 09:46:48AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But > my own principal concern about this mirrors what somebody else already > pointed out: the one-major-release-per-year schedule is not engraved on > any stone tablets.

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 02:52:53PM +0100, Andreas Karlsson wrote: > On 2/12/20 12:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > marcelo zen escribió: > > > I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and > > > not when the calendar year mandates it. It seems like a terrible > > > idea.

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Ray O'Donnell
On 12/02/2020 21:10, David Fetter wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 05:25:15PM +0100, Juan José Santamaría Flecha wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:47 PM Tom Lane wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But >>> my own principal concern about this

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 05:25:15PM +0100, Juan José Santamaría Flecha wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:47 PM Tom Lane wrote: > > > > > Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But > > my own principal concern about this mirrors what somebody else already > > pointed

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Isaac Morland
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 14:58, Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 12:32 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > > All said, I think there's some merit to avoiding a PostgreSQL 13 > release, because > > there's enough superstition out there about the infamous "number 13." > > It would make me

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Laurenz Albe
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 12:32 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > All said, I think there's some merit to avoiding a PostgreSQL 13 release, > because > there's enough superstition out there about the infamous "number 13." It would make me sad if the project kotowed to superstition like Oracle did.

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Christopher Browne
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 08:28, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > marcelo zen escribió: > > I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and not > when > > the calendar year mandates it. > > It seems like a terrible idea. > > But we do actually release on calendar year. While it seems not

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Juan José Santamaría Flecha
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:47 PM Tom Lane wrote: > > Yeah; I don't think it's *that* unlikely for it to happen again. But > my own principal concern about this mirrors what somebody else already > pointed out: the one-major-release-per-year schedule is not engraved on > any stone tablets. So I

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Andreas Karlsson escribió: > On 2/12/20 12:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > marcelo zen escribió: > > > I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and not > > > when > > > the calendar year mandates it. > > > It seems like a terrible idea. > > > > But we do actually release

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Tom Lane
Andreas Karlsson writes: > On 2/12/20 12:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> But we do actually release on calendar year. While it seems not >> unreasonable that we might fail to ship in time, that would likely lead >> to one month, two months of delay. Four months? I don't think anybody >> even

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Andreas Karlsson
On 2/12/20 12:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: marcelo zen escribió: I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and not when the calendar year mandates it. It seems like a terrible idea. But we do actually release on calendar year. While it seems not unreasonable that we

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
marcelo zen escribió: > I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and not when > the calendar year mandates it. > It seems like a terrible idea. But we do actually release on calendar year. While it seems not unreasonable that we might fail to ship in time, that would likely

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-11 Thread marcelo zen
I'd rather have releases being made when the software is ready and not when the calendar year mandates it. It seems like a terrible idea. On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 14:03, Andreas Joseph Krogh wrote: > This project already tried that: >

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-11 Thread Joshua Drake
> > > From: Jose Luis Tallon > > > Musing some other date-related things I stumbled upon the thought > > that naming the upcoming release PostgreSQL 20 might be preferrable to > > the current/expected "PostgreSQL 13". > > +1 > > Users can easily know how old/new the release is that they are

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-10 Thread Wolfgang Wilhelm
And nobody is asking about all the "missing" versions like in a big red superstitious database. Am Montag, 10. Februar 2020, 00:45:02 MEZ hat tsunakawa.ta...@fujitsu.com Folgendes geschrieben: From: Jose Luis Tallon >      Musing some other date-related things I stumbled upon the

RE: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-09 Thread tsunakawa.ta...@fujitsu.com
From: Jose Luis Tallon >     Musing some other date-related things I stumbled upon the thought > that naming the upcoming release PostgreSQL 20 might be preferrable to > the current/expected "PostgreSQL 13". +1 Users can easily know how old/new the release is that they are using. Regards

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-09 Thread Tom Lane
Jose Luis Tallon writes: >     Musing some other date-related things I stumbled upon the thought > that naming the upcoming release PostgreSQL 20 might be preferrable to > the current/expected "PostgreSQL 13". Sorry, but it's not April 1st yet. regards, tom lane

Re: Just for fun: Postgres 20?

2020-02-09 Thread Vik Fearing
On 09/02/2020 19:28, Jose Luis Tallon wrote: >  * Simplified supportability assessment:  PostgreSQL 20, released in > 2020, would be supported until the release of PostgreSQL 25 (late 2025 > if release cadence is kept as today). Simple and straightforward. How would you handle multiple releases