and opclass things, yet. Hints and
pointers on where to read on greatly appreciated. A virtual beer for
sample code. ;-)
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What kind of replication are you interested in?
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[1]: In the original Postgres-R paper, these are called writesets. But
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and bidx and
the grouping/counting thing seem like they might be useful functionality. but
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The naming 'bidx' seems a bit weired to me, but otherwise I'm also
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want hooks for. If additional processes get
integrated into Postgres, those certainly need to get integrated very
much like we integrated other auxiliary processes. I wouldn't call that
'hooking', but YMMV.
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P.S.: I dislike the intagg's use of PGARRAY, but that's nothing to do
with this patch. Shouldn't this better use a real composite type as the
aggregate's state type? I'd propose to clean up
.
But, what about intarray patch? Does somebody plan to review it? I'd
prefer to include it too. If you approve, I'll correct the code style in
intarray contrib patch too.
I've already volunteered for reviewing it as well. I just felt like
splitting things up...
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, that hasn't been proved,
yet.
I guess we could invent a new semaphore-like primitive at the same layer
as LWLocks using spinlock and PGPROC directly...
Sure, but in what way would that differ from what I do with imessages?
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and could theoretically even beat Unix pipes, because it involves less
copying of data and less syscalls.
It has not been reviewed nor commented much. I'd still appreciate that.
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That sounds like WAL needs to be written to disk, before it can be sent
to the standby. Except maybe with some sort of mmap'ing the WAL.
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log shipping have not much in common and should be considered separate
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up again? How about multiple standby servers?
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local node, as we do now. These are two different things to wait for.
One is a network socket operation, the other is an fsync(). As these
don't work together too well (blocking), you better run that in two
different processes.
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Signals and locking, borrewed from Postgres-R, are now studied
for the purpose in the log shipping,
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Markus Wanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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ITAGAKI Takahiro wrote:
Signals and locking, borrewed from Postgres-R, are now studied
for the purpose in the log shipping,
Cool. Let me know if you have any questions WRT this imessages stuff
for the notification *from backends to WAL sender*, I think too.
..and I'd say you better use the same for WAL sender to backend
communication, just for the sake of simplicity (and thus maintainability).
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sent from other backends, it'd be sufficient to put a
bitmask field into PGPROC entries, which the sender could OR bits into
before sending the one real signal event (either SIGUSR1 or SIGUSR2).
That might work for expanding the number of available signals, yes.
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Uh.. no, such as signals *going to* the postmaster. That's where we
already have such a multiplexer in place, but not the other way around IIRC.
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where that 'root' user came from.
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standby could trigger the base data synchronization itself.
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up and writing documentation?
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for the default value and possible another one for a ACLs, but none for
the attribute itself?
Why don't we just have a unique OID for pg_attribute (i.e. drop the
BKI_WITHOUT_OIDS of pg_attribute) and merge in the default values and ACLs?
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possibly ACLs) to be dependent, so that the dependency system cleans
them up when dropping the table. It that correct?
ISTM that we should at least combine defaults and ACLs then, as proposed
by Stephen.
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As mentioned in above, regression tests, documentation updates,
dependency handling, and actually implementing the permission checks all
remain. What I'm looking for feedback on are the changes to the
grammer, parser, catalog changes, psql output, etc.
Aha, good. So
(pg_attribute, merge with pg_attrdef or yet
another pg_attracl table)
So far I understood that merging pg_attrdef into pg_attribute is
unwanted due to complexity at DROP TABLE.
What does the subobject column for pg_shdepend buy us?
Clarification appreciated.
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What does the subobject column for pg_shdepend buy us?
Tracking column-level ACL dependencies rather than having those
dependencies only be at the table-level. This complicates
pg_shdepend some, but simplifies
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Wouldn't that double the amount of seeking required for writes?
I'd like to submit this for 8.4, but I want to ensure that -hackers at
large approve of this feature before starting serious coding.
Very cool!
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[1]: Crypto++ benchmarks:
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we agreed that a more general functionality is wanted for core. But as
long as we don't have that, I'd like intagg to stay in contrib.
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What kind of form or method must be used to patch that it can work correctly?
I finally got around writing some installation instructions:
http://www.postgres-r.org/documentation/installation
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This has been fixed in the attached patch.
Cool, thanks.
If you could work on the documentation, that'd be great!
I'll give it a try.
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Stephen Frost wrote:
Attached patch has this fixed and still passes all regression tests,
etc.
Do you have an up-to-date patch laying around? The current one conflicts
with some CVS tip changes.
I didn't get around writing some docu, yet. Sorry.
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, there are the customers who absolutely want
synchronous replication for its consistency and then there are the
others who absolutely don't want it due to its unusably high latency.
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In that spirit I have to admit that the term 'eager' that I'm
currently using to describe Postgres-R may not be any more helpful. I
take it to mean synchrony of 1. and 2., but not 3.
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by other databases.
That point is well taken, but it would be more compelling if it were the
same or at least a compatible syntax.
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who is the main editor named Dano of the wiki page about Parallel
Query Execution
(http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Parallel_Query_Execution), please speak up.
Is there any code or patch available ATM? What discussion with Tom and
Simon is that page referring to?
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acquired after the first lock to a candidate
snapshot for the second tuple lock we try.
Maybe candidate snapshots is a good short name for such a feature?
Another line of thought: isn't this like READ COMMITTED for just the
first operation in a SERIALIZABLE transaction?
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(e.g. transaction X must commit and return a result before transaction Y).
I'm still under the impression that this testing framework needs
cleanup. However, others already showed interest as well...
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Where would I find this (and any related documentation)?
Sorry, if that didn't get clear. I'm trying to put together something I
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granularity based on the conflict rate and available memory? *duck*
As this seems to be an optimization of predicate locking, don't we need
to implement that first?
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I suppose these more persistent
write locks should be kept out of the DEFAULT lock method, too
I fail to understand that part. What's the DEFAULT lock method?
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implementation. My point is that due to that dependency, the conceptual
design of a solution for predicate locking (with acceptable performance)
should at least be considered before going into details with true
serializability.
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about implementing SIREAD atop table level or row
level locking structures. With (non-existent) predicate locking, I'm
still unsure. It might help to implement SIREAD atop such a predicate as
well. Predicate tagging?
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unlike others, it scales with the number of concurrently held locks. And
with the current trend towards multi-multi-core platforms, that might
get worse and worse (as concurrency must increase to efficiently use
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I had this flagged as needing a response, but it fell through the
cracks yesterday. Apologies for the delayed response.
No problem.
Markus Wanner mar...@bluegap.ch wrote:
When the Cahill paper talks about predicate locking, it *is* talking
about what to lock
is not
something that's ever supposed to happen in Postgres, IIRC.
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Joachim Wieland wrote:
Since nobody objected to the idea in general, I have implemented it.
Great! I hope to get some spare cycles within the next few days to
review it.
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Sorry, if that didn't get clear. I'm trying to put together something I
can release real soon now (tm). I'll keep you informed.
Okay, here we go: dtester version 0.0.
This emerged out of Postgres-R, where I don't just need to test multiple
client connections
).
Second: at the very end of pg_dtester.py, you find the line:
reporter = StreamReporter()
Try a CursesReporter() instead, it gives much nicer output!
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Hi,
Quoting Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov:
I haven't quite gotten it to work yet; I'll start over with 3.0 and
see how it goes.
Let's stick to 2.x versions, first...
I'll also attach the results of the 2.6 attempt.
Thanks, that looks already pretty promising. ;-)
A few
Hi,
Kevin Grittner wrote:
Not sure what's relevant there. Entire file tarball attached.
Due to reasons mentioned in this thread as well, I've decided to use
psql to connect to the database. dtester is parsing its output and
checks that against expectations. Hawever, that has its own
Hi,
Kevin Grittner wrote:
You are trying to save a python file as non ASCII, without
specifiying a correct source encoding line for encoding utf-8
I wasn't aware I had non-ascii characters in there. Inserting an
encoding line seems fine. I'll fix that for the upcoming version 0.1.
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] and [psql2]. Dtester simply logs
all and any output of all 3rd party processes started.
Alternatively, you may want to filter out all lines that start with
[postmaster0], that might already reduce what we can consider noise in
this case.
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My pager is less; could that cause it? Could the twisted
environment look like one where the pager should kick in?
Yes, that could be it. At least it fails here, too, if I set PAGER=less.
Try:
PAGER=more make dcheck
So, the solution probably lies in adjusting
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Kevin Grittner wrote:
I'm a little unclear about the differences between uses,
depends, and onlyAfter. Here's what they *sound* like they
mean, to me; although I don't think the code isn't entirely
consistent with this interpretation.
Wow, you are way ahead of me. I intended to write
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Kevin Grittner wrote:
Based on Andrew's suggestion, I changed line 276 to:
args=['psql', '-A', '--pset=pager=off',
That looks like a correct fix for psql, yes. Thanks for pointing that
out Andrew.
Other processes might be confused by (or at least act differently with)
a
Hi,
Quoting Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov:
I strongly encourage you to set that up on git.postgresql.org.
I'm about to provide git repositories for Postgres-R anyway, so I've
setup two projects on git.postgres-r.org:
dtester: that's the driver/harness code
postgres-dtests: a
(in one way or another)...
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[1]: dtester
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Jan UrbaĆski wrote:
sorry to butt in to the conversation, but I have spent some time
wrapping/refining the concepts in dtester, and the results are here:
http://git.wulczer.org/?p=twisted-psql.git;a=summary
That seems to cover the concurrent psql part of dtester. But I don't see
how
.
The timeout is nice, but is it really required? Isn't the normal query
cancellation infrastructure sufficient?
Hope that helps. Thanks for working on this issue.
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be
configured to not loose data on master failure.
Do we want to call the feature hot standby? Is a read-only standby a
standby or a slave?
I think hot standby is pretty much the term, now.
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but we might want to have a more
general snapshot cloning procedure instead. Not having a delay for
other activities at all and not requiring superuser privileges would
be a big advantage over what I have proposed.
Agreed.
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your code in a git repository, I could even provide patches, in case I
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A git repository for dtester as well as some integration code for
testing Postgres based projects is available at:
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Is this what you (or David) have in mind?
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Robert Haas wrote:
I have also long argued that Synchronous Replication should really
be called Streaming Replication.
+1
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P.S.: Sanu, did you note the addition of the link to the Postgres-R
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* Implement parsing of the replication_gcs GUC for spread and ensemble.
* check for places
on with simple index_beginscan(),
index_rescan() and index_getnext(). My goal is to support any kind of
UNIQUE INDEX, always with all attributes of the index.
Any enlightening comments on this duplicate use of ScanKeyData?
Help is greatly appreciated.
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Markus Wanner
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), values[attnum - 1]);
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Thank you very much for your help, that quickly got me on track again.
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Is there any compelling reason these don't exist (and shouldn't get
added)? IF not, I'd be happy to create a patch to add and make use of
such macros.
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a good prefix.
PQFORMAT_ might be an option, but it's even less descriptive...
Thank you for commenting.
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such an intermediate
lookup-table in advance. Not sure how much that's the case for you.
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Mitani-San,
thank you for this heads up on PGCluster-II. The partial data idea
sounds very interesting and I'm looking forward to an inspiring meeting
in Tokyo.
Kind Regards
Markus Wanner
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well suited
for performance testing of clustered solutions, as you very likely have
to cluster the testing agents as well to put a decent load on the SUT.
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, before testing. While the
buildfarm already does that (partly, testing single patches would be a
nice to have, too).
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it might
change behavior compared to previous versions, it doesn't force people
into writing kludges like OFFSET 0.
BTW: how do other databases deal with this? Anything of relevance in the
SQL standards?
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