Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Joshua D. Drake wrote: For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy. http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/misc/ -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy. http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/misc/ Thanks Peter :), I knew about backports but didn't know what was in there. But what about when 8.2 comes out? Doubtful that they will release for breezy because a new version of Ubuntu will be out by then. Example, Hoary doesn't have 8.1 available :) Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
[HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Forwarded to -hackers. Jonah H. Harris wrote: Again, I guess it comes down to what we're willing to let go. If we want new users who want certain functionality in the system to be happy, we include it. Otherwise, we do as we do now, keeping tons of projects on pgfoundry and hoping a user doesn't just pass us by because they installed PostgreSQL and didn't see the things they want/need in the core. Of course, this will last until MySQL goes ahead and adds a Java PL and the user doesn't even glance over at us... but I guess that falls back to the argument of, what kind of user do we really want. Almost everyone here who's ever done real-world consulting on PostgreSQL has run into PL/Java at some point in time, so it is used and used often. Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get promoted to be that? What I mean is I think it makes absolute sense to keep a very stable, very well maintained core PostgreSQL distribution which is that anyone should base their distributions on. However I do think that PostgreSQL is missing out in getting new users aboard that are in the early stages of evalutation and simply only consider features that they get along with a default installation (mostly due to lack of better knowledge about places like pgfoundry). For these kinds of users it would make sense to provide a distro that has an extended feature list, while sacrificing maybe a tiny bit of stability because it adds modules that do not adhere to the same high level of maintaince as PostgreSQL core does. regards, Lukas ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 16:48 schrieb Jonah H. Harris: What I mean is I think it makes absolute sense to keep a very stable, very well maintained core PostgreSQL distribution which is that anyone should base their distributions on. I don't want to get into an operating system bout here, but there are a number of systems out there that include a fair amount of PostgreSQL-related software in packaged and readily available form, and will accept your contribution if anything is missing. I seriously doubt that providing one big PostgreSQL *source* distribution will help that process in any way. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get promoted to be that? Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :) Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake What I mean is I think it makes absolute sense to keep a very stable, very well maintained core PostgreSQL distribution which is that anyone should base their distributions on. However I do think that PostgreSQL is missing out in getting new users aboard that are in the early stages of evalutation and simply only consider features that they get along with a default installation (mostly due to lack of better knowledge about places like pgfoundry). For these kinds of users it would make sense to provide a distro that has an extended feature list, while sacrificing maybe a tiny bit of stability because it adds modules that do not adhere to the same high level of maintaince as PostgreSQL core does. regards, Lukas ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. This has been suggested before ... nobody seems to want to 'run with it'/coordinate it though ... maybe that, in itself, is argument enough against doing it, only a small number of ppl *really* care/want it, and those ones aren't willing to put forth the energy required to do it ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get promoted to be that? Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :) Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first I'd heard of it :( Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. This has been suggested before ... nobody seems to want to 'run with it'/coordinate it though ... maybe that, in itself, is argument enough against doing it, only a small number of ppl *really* care/want it, and those ones aren't willing to put forth the energy required to do it ... I repeat: www.mammothpostgresql.org :) Joshua D. Drake Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get promoted to be that? Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :) Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first I'd heard of it :( Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX. How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX. How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports? There is no functional difference. It is a business difference. It is supported. It is also the idea that we will provide newer postgresql releases for all the support platforms. Like how we provide RPMS even for older version of Fedora. Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they don't want to upgrade FreeBSD. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
On Thursday 13 July 2006 15:39, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know
exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get
promoted to be that?
Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :)
Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first
I'd heard of it :(
Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.
I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral
project. I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list? (I wouldn't be mainly because
I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth
replicator)
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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral project. I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list? (I wouldn't be mainly because I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth replicator) The distinction is that mammoth postgresql doesn't have replication :). It is fairly clear on the website. All the links on the CMD website take you directly to www.mammothpostgresql.org which very clearly states: Mammoth PostgreSQL is a business and developer complete PostgreSQL Distribution. Based on PostgreSQL 8.1.4, Mammoth PostgreSQL is designed to provide all the software you need to use PostgreSQL in your environment. The distribution is 100% F/OSS sofware with the exclusion of Mammoth Replicator which can be purchased separately. -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they don't want to upgrade FreeBSD. 'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version of PostgreSQL have to do with upgrading FreeBSD? They are totally different sub-systems ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they don't want to upgrade FreeBSD. 'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version of PostgreSQL have to do with upgrading FreeBSD? They are totally different sub-systems ... I am not exactly sure how it works in FreeBSD but I can speak from Fedora and Ubuntu. For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy. We want to continue to provide for older distributions (without breaking package compatibility). Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze
I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral project. I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list? (I wouldn't be mainly because I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth replicator) I have no problems with it ... there is no license or cost to use, and, I'm guessing from what Joshua has said, the source code come with it ... Yep, direct access :) Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
