Re: [HACKERS] What in the world is happening with castoroides and protosciurus?
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Noah Misch n...@leadboat.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:17:05AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: For the last month or so, these two buildfarm animals (which I believe are the same physical machine) have been erratically failing with errors that reflect low-order differences in floating-point calculations. A recent example is at http://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=protosciurusdt=2014-08-25%2010%3A39%3A52 where the only regression diff is *** /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/expected/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:41:00 2014 --- /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/results/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:57:26 2014 *** *** 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 | f1234_1234 ! ---+ ! 8906 | -1234.1234 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap --- 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 |f1234_1234 ! ---+--- ! 8906 | -1234.12356777216 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap ... a result that certainly makes no sense. The results are not repeatable, failing in equally odd ways in different tests on different runs. This is happening in all the back branches too, not just HEAD. I have no idea what is causing the current issue - the machine is stable software-wise, and only has private builds of dependency libraries update periodically (which are not used for the buildfarm). If I had to hazard a guess, I'd suggest this is an early symptom of an old machine which is starting to give up. Agreed. Rerunning each animal against older commits would test that theory. Say, run against the last 6 months of REL9_0_STABLE commits. If those runs show today's failure frequencies instead of historic failure frequencies, it's not a PostgreSQL regression. Not that I see a commit back-patched near the time of the failure uptick (2014-08-06) that looks remotely likely to have introduced such a regression. It would be sad to lose our only buildfarm coverage of plain Solaris and of the Sun Studio compiler, but having buildfarm members this unstable is a pain. Perhaps have those animals retry the unreliable steps up to, say, 7 times? That would require changes to the buildfarm client. I'll see if I can find some alternate resources we can use. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] What in the world is happening with castoroides and protosciurus?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:17:05AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: For the last month or so, these two buildfarm animals (which I believe are the same physical machine) have been erratically failing with errors that reflect low-order differences in floating-point calculations. A recent example is at http://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=protosciurusdt=2014-08-25%2010%3A39%3A52 where the only regression diff is *** /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/expected/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:41:00 2014 --- /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/results/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:57:26 2014 *** *** 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 | f1234_1234 ! ---+ ! 8906 | -1234.1234 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap --- 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 |f1234_1234 ! ---+--- ! 8906 | -1234.12356777216 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap ... a result that certainly makes no sense. The results are not repeatable, failing in equally odd ways in different tests on different runs. This is happening in all the back branches too, not just HEAD. I have no idea what is causing the current issue - the machine is stable software-wise, and only has private builds of dependency libraries update periodically (which are not used for the buildfarm). If I had to hazard a guess, I'd suggest this is an early symptom of an old machine which is starting to give up. Agreed. Rerunning each animal against older commits would test that theory. Say, run against the last 6 months of REL9_0_STABLE commits. If those runs show today's failure frequencies instead of historic failure frequencies, it's not a PostgreSQL regression. Not that I see a commit back-patched near the time of the failure uptick (2014-08-06) that looks remotely likely to have introduced such a regression. It would be sad to lose our only buildfarm coverage of plain Solaris and of the Sun Studio compiler, but having buildfarm members this unstable is a pain. Perhaps have those animals retry the unreliable steps up to, say, 7 times? -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] What in the world is happening with castoroides and protosciurus?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: For the last month or so, these two buildfarm animals (which I believe are the same physical machine) have been erratically failing with errors that reflect low-order differences in floating-point calculations. A recent example is at http://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=protosciurusdt=2014-08-25%2010%3A39%3A52 where the only regression diff is *** /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/expected/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:41:00 2014 --- /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/results/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:57:26 2014 *** *** 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 | f1234_1234 ! ---+ ! 8906 | -1234.1234 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap --- 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 |f1234_1234 ! ---+--- ! 8906 | -1234.12356777216 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap ... a result that certainly makes no sense. The results are not repeatable, failing in equally odd ways in different tests on different runs. This is happening in all the back branches too, not just HEAD. Has there been a system software update on this machine a month or so ago? If not, it's hard to think anything except that the floating point hardware on this box has developed problems. There hasn't been a software update, but something happened about two months ago, and we couldn't get to the bottom of exactly what it was - essentially, castoroides started failing with C compiler cannot create executables. It appeared that the compiler was missing from the path, however the config hadn't changed. Our working theory is that there was previously a symlink to the compiler in one of the directories in the path, that somehow got removed. The issue was fixed by adding the actual compiler location to the path. However, that would have only affected castoroides, and not protosciurus which runs under a different environment config. I have no idea what is causing the current issue - the machine is stable software-wise, and only has private builds of dependency libraries update periodically (which are not used for the buildfarm). If I had to hazard a guess, I'd suggest this is an early symptom of an old machine which is starting to give up. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
[HACKERS] What in the world is happening with castoroides and protosciurus?
For the last month or so, these two buildfarm animals (which I believe are the same physical machine) have been erratically failing with errors that reflect low-order differences in floating-point calculations. A recent example is at http://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=protosciurusdt=2014-08-25%2010%3A39%3A52 where the only regression diff is *** /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/expected/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:41:00 2014 --- /export/home/dpage/pgbuildfarm/protosciurus/HEAD/pgsql.22860/src/test/regress/results/hash_index.out Mon Aug 25 11:57:26 2014 *** *** 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 | f1234_1234 ! ---+ ! 8906 | -1234.1234 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap --- 171,179 SELECT h.seqno AS i8096, h.random AS f1234_1234 FROM hash_f8_heap h WHERE h.random = '-1234.1234'::float8; ! i8096 |f1234_1234 ! ---+--- ! 8906 | -1234.12356777216 (1 row) UPDATE hash_f8_heap ... a result that certainly makes no sense. The results are not repeatable, failing in equally odd ways in different tests on different runs. This is happening in all the back branches too, not just HEAD. Has there been a system software update on this machine a month or so ago? If not, it's hard to think anything except that the floating point hardware on this box has developed problems. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
