Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-14 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
 For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/misc/

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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake

Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy.


http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/misc/


Thanks Peter :), I knew about backports but didn't know what was in 
there. But what about when 8.2 comes out? Doubtful that they will 
release for breezy because a new version of Ubuntu will be out by then.


Example, Hoary doesn't have 8.1 available :)


Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake






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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 16:48 schrieb Jonah H. Harris:
 What I mean is I think it makes absolute sense to keep a very stable,
 very well maintained core PostgreSQL distribution which is that anyone
 should base their distributions on.

I don't want to get into an operating system bout here, but there are a number 
of systems out there that include a fair amount of PostgreSQL-related 
software in packaged and readily available form, and will accept your 
contribution if anything is missing.

I seriously doubt that providing one big PostgreSQL *source* distribution will 
help that process in any way.

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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake



Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know
exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get
promoted to be that?


Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :)

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake



What I mean is I think it makes absolute sense to keep a very stable,
very well maintained core PostgreSQL distribution which is that anyone
should base their distributions on. However I do think that PostgreSQL
is missing out in getting new users aboard that are in the early stages
of evalutation and simply only consider features that they get along
with a default installation (mostly due to lack of better knowledge
about places like pgfoundry). For these kinds of users it would make
sense to provide a distro that has an extended feature list, while
sacrificing maybe a tiny bit of stability because it adds modules that
do not adhere to the same high level of maintaince as PostgreSQL core does.

regards,
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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote:

Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry 
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a 
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style.


This has been suggested before ... nobody seems to want to 'run with 
it'/coordinate it though ... maybe that, in itself, is argument enough 
against doing it, only a small number of ppl *really* care/want it, and 
those ones aren't willing to put forth the energy required to do it ...



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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:




Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know
exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get
promoted to be that?


Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :)


Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first I'd 
heard of it :(



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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jonah H. Harris wrote:

Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry 
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a 
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style.


This has been suggested before ... nobody seems to want to 'run with 
it'/coordinate it though ... maybe that, in itself, is argument enough 
against doing it, only a small number of ppl *really* care/want it, and 
those ones aren't willing to put forth the energy required to do it ...


I repeat: www.mammothpostgresql.org :)

Joshua D. Drake





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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:




Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know
exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get
promoted to be that?


Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :)


Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first 
I'd heard of it :(


Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions 
at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.


Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake





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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
 Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
 at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.

How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports?


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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake

Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.


How is this different (or better) than what is already in FreeBSD ports?


There is no functional difference. It is a business difference. It is 
supported. It is also the idea that we will provide newer postgresql 
releases for all the support platforms. Like how we provide RPMS even 
for older version of Fedora.


Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly 
they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they 
don't want to upgrade FreeBSD.


Sincerely,

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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Robert Treat
On Thursday 13 July 2006 15:39, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
  Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry
  stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a
  distribution that is more and the kitchen sink style. I do not know
  exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it could get
  promoted to be that?
 
  Lukas, that is what www.mammothpostgresql.org is :)
 
  Then *it* needs to be promoted more, since this is actually the first
  I'd heard of it :(

 Were trying man :) I have people building for most major distributions
 at this point. We should have FreeBSD soon, as well as MacOSX.


I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral 
project.  I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package 
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable 
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list?  (I wouldn't be mainly because 
I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth 
replicator)  

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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake


I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor nuetral 
project.  I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package 
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people comfortable 
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list?  (I wouldn't be mainly because 
I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth 
replicator)  


The distinction is that mammoth postgresql doesn't have replication :). 
It is fairly clear on the website.


All the links on the CMD website take you directly to 
www.mammothpostgresql.org which very clearly states:


Mammoth PostgreSQL is a business and developer complete PostgreSQL 
Distribution. Based on PostgreSQL 8.1.4, Mammoth PostgreSQL is designed 
to provide all the software you need to use PostgreSQL in your 
environment. The distribution is 100% F/OSS sofware with the exclusion 
of Mammoth Replicator which can be purchased separately.




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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly 
they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they 
don't want to upgrade FreeBSD.


'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version of 
PostgreSQL have to do with upgrading FreeBSD?  They are totally different 
sub-systems ...



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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly 
they want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they 
don't want to upgrade FreeBSD.


'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version 
of PostgreSQL have to do with upgrading FreeBSD?  They are totally 
different sub-systems ...


I am not exactly sure how it works in FreeBSD but I can speak from 
Fedora and Ubuntu.


For example there is NOT an PostgreSQL 8.1 for Ubuntu Breezy. We want to 
continue to provide for older distributions (without breaking package 
compatibility).


Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake





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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake


I believe it was Lukas who mentioned elsewhere, this is not a vendor 
nuetral

project.  I actually am already working on a adding a list of os/package
options to the download page based on other feedback, are people 
comfortable
allowing mammothpostgresql to go on that list?  (I wouldn't be mainly 
because

I don't see a clear distinction between it and things like mammoth
replicator)


I have no problems with it ... there is no license or cost to use, and, 
I'm guessing from what Joshua has said, the source code come with it ...


Yep, direct access :)




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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Most people who run FreeBSD have no need for Mammoth, until possibly they 
want to upgrade via ports to a new version of PostgreSQL but they don't 
want to upgrade FreeBSD.


'k, up to now, you had me ... but what does upgrading to a new version of 
PostgreSQL have to do with upgrading FreeBSD?  They are totally different 
sub-systems ...


I am not exactly sure how it works in FreeBSD but I can speak from Fedora and 
Ubuntu.


Ah, okay ... FreeBSD has a ports system that can be updated seperate from 
teh operating system using cvsup ... in my case, I run cvsup nightly, just 
to make sure my ports tree is up to date ...


So, if I'm running 8.1.3 right now on my desktop, and 8.1.4 is now in the 
new ports tree, the next time I run an update of my ports, postgresql will 
get upgraded to 8.1.4 ... note that most ppl upgrade ports interactively, 
so I'm not advocating blindly upgrading and overwriting your old version 
:)


I have a couple of FreeBSD 4.x servers that are running 8.1.4 PostgreSQL 
from ports ...



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