Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: I'd like to see prizes each release for best contribution and best reviewer - I've thought for years something like this would be worth trying. Committers and core members should not be eligible - this is about

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Christopher Browne
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: I'd like to see prizes each release for best contribution and best reviewer - I've thought for years something like this would be worth

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: b) It would be a pretty good thing to mention reviewers within commit notes; that provides some direct trace-back as to who it was that either validated that the change was good, or that let a bad one slip through. c) The

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 06/27/2013 12:12 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: It could be pretty satisfactory to have a simple listing, in the release notes, of the set of reviewers. That's a lot less bookkeeping than

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: It could be pretty satisfactory to have a simple listing, in the release notes, of the set of reviewers. That's a lot less bookkeeping than tracking this for each and every change.

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Greg Smith
On 6/25/13 2:44 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: On the other hand, I will point out that we currently have a shortage of reviewers, and we do NOT have a shortage of patch submitters. That's because reviewing is harder than initial development. The only people who think otherwise are developers who

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Josh Berkus
On 06/27/2013 08:56 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Adding the names to each release note item is not a problem; the problem is the volume of names that overwhelms the release note text. If we went that direction, I predict we would just remove _all_ names from the release notes. That's not a

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10:23AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: On 06/27/2013 08:56 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Adding the names to each release note item is not a problem; the problem is the volume of names that overwhelms the release note text. If we went that direction, I predict we would

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10:23AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: What I would be opposed to is continuing to list the original authors in the release notes and putting reviewers, testers, co-authors, etc. on a separate web page. If we're gonna move people,

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Josh Berkus
If we're going to try harder to ensure that reviewers are credited, it'd probably be better to take both the commit log and the release notes out of that loop. I'd pull the reviewers out of the CF app. Even in its current implementation, that's the easiest route. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 06/27/2013 02:38 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: If we're going to try harder to ensure that reviewers are credited, it'd probably be better to take both the commit log and the release notes out of that loop. I'd pull the reviewers out of the CF app. Even in its current implementation, that's the

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 02:17:25PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10:23AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: What I would be opposed to is continuing to list the original authors in the release notes and putting reviewers, testers,

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Andrew Dunstan escribió: On 06/27/2013 02:38 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: If we're going to try harder to ensure that reviewers are credited, it'd probably be better to take both the commit log and the release notes out of that loop. I'd pull the reviewers out of the CF app. Even in its current

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-27 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Josh Berkus wrote: I wasn't thinking about doing it every year -- just for 9.3, in order to encourage more reviewers, and encourage reviewers to do more reviews. - -1. It's not cool to set it up and then stop it the next go round. You want

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Albe Laurenz
Dean Rasheed wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch b) Unless they contribute enough to the patch to be considered a co-author.

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Atri Sharma
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Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 06/26/2013 09:14 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Markus Wanner
On 06/25/2013 08:26 PM, Andres Freund wrote: It's not about the reviewers being less. It's a comparison of effort. The effort for a casual review simply isn't comparable with the effort spent on developing a nontrivial patch. Remember: Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: Well, one of the other prizes which occurred to me today would be a pgCon lottery. That is, each review posted by a non-committer would go in a hat, and in February we would draw one who would get a free registration and airfare to pgCon. +1, I like that

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Claudio Freire
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: On 06/26/2013 09:14 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Rodrigo Gonzalez
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:14:07 -0400 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:12:00PM -0300, Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:14:07 -0400 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Rodrigo Gonzalez
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:13:32 -0400 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:12:00PM -0300, Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:14:07 -0400 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40:17AM +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote: On 26

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:22:06PM -0300, Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:13:32 -0400 Production of the release notes was not the problem; it was the text in the release notes. I don't see how we could modify the release note format. Well... Checking release notes

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian escribió: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:22:06PM -0300, Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: Checking release notes for 9.2.4 you have Fix insecure parsing of server command-line switches (Mitsumasa Kondo, Kyotaro Horiguchi) What about (it people think that it is good) a second ()

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Josh Berkus
On 06/26/2013 12:02 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: See the entry for foreign key locks: Prevent non-key-field row updates from locking foreign key rows (Álvaro Herrera, Noah Misch, Andres Freund, Alexander Shulgin, Marti Raudsepp) I am the author of most of the code, yet I chose to add Noah

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Selena Deckelmann
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? Without getting into how we do this, I thought it might be helpful to share the reasons why I believe recognizing and expressing gratitude to reviewers is a helpful,

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Michael Paquier
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Dimitri Fontaine dimi...@2ndquadrant.fr wrote: Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: Well, one of the other prizes which occurred to me today would be a pgCon lottery. That is, each review posted by a non-committer would go in a hat, and in February we would

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread Mark Kirkwood
On 27/06/13 07:12, Josh Berkus wrote: On 06/26/2013 12:02 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: See the entry for foreign key locks: Prevent non-key-field row updates from locking foreign key rows (Álvaro Herrera, Noah Misch, Andres Freund, Alexander Shulgin, Marti Raudsepp) I am the author of most

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-26 Thread gabrielle
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Brendan Jurd dire...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On 25.06.2013 20:17, Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, I'd like to take a straw poll here on how we should acknowledge reviewers. Please answer the below with your thoughts, either on-list or via private email. How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Erik Rijkers
On Tue, June 25, 2013 19:17, Josh Berkus wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. Should there be a criteria for a creditable review? b) yes, they have to do more than it compiles Should reviewers

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-06-25 10:17:07 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch b). If the review was substantial enough the reviewer

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Josh Berkus
On 06/25/2013 10:46 AM, Andres Freund wrote: Not sure. Seems like it might be a way to spend a lot of effort without achieving all that much. But I can also imagine that it feels nice and encourages a casual reviewer/contributor. So it's either b) or c). Although I'd perhaps exclude regular

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 06/25/2013 10:17 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, I'd like to take a straw poll here on how we should acknowledge reviewers. Please answer the below with your thoughts, either on-list or via private email. How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-06-25 11:04:38 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch C. The idea that reviewers are somehow less than authors is rather disheartening. It's not about the

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 06/25/2013 01:17 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, I'd like to take a straw poll here on how we should acknowledge reviewers. Please answer the below with your thoughts, either on-list or via private email. How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Claudio Freire
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch This not only makes sense, it also lets people reading release notes know there's been a review, and how thorough it was. I

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Josh Berkus
On 06/25/2013 11:26 AM, Andres Freund wrote: On 2013-06-25 11:04:38 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch C. The idea that reviewers are somehow less than authors is

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 06/25/2013 11:26 AM, Andres Freund wrote: On 2013-06-25 11:04:38 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch C. The idea that reviewers are somehow less than authors is

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Dean Rasheed
On 25 June 2013 18:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: Hackers, I'd like to take a straw poll here on how we should acknowledge reviewers. Please answer the below with your thoughts, either on-list or via private email. How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread David Fetter
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:17:07AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, I'd like to take a straw poll here on how we should acknowledge reviewers. Please answer the below with your thoughts, either on-list or via private email. How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a)

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread Brendan Jurd
On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch A weak preference for (c), with (b) running a

Re: [HACKERS] Kudos for Reviewers -- straw poll

2013-06-25 Thread David Johnston
Brendan Jurd wrote On 26 June 2013 03:17, Josh Berkus lt; josh@ gt; wrote: How should reviewers get credited in the release notes? a) not at all b) in a single block titled Reviewers for this version at the bottom. c) on the patch they reviewed, for each patch I think some consideration